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William Thornton wrote:I agree with Sandy that this is a stunning development. SWBTS trustees were facing years of difficulty, likely including more declining student numbers, were PP kept on campus and on payroll.
Now, what to do with all that stained glass shrine stuff?
Sandy wrote:https://swbts.edu/news/releases/statement-kevin-ueckert-chairman-board-trustees/
Haruo wrote:Sandy wrote:https://swbts.edu/news/releases/statement-kevin-ueckert-chairman-board-trustees/
The next to last paragraph destroyed any claim to repentance on the Board's, or at least Ueckert's (sp?), part. If they were being so ethically driven and biblically forthright as all that, then what on Earth (or in Heaven above) were they doing a week ago when they voted him his cushy non-severance package??!!
the wife of Dr. Patterson’s Chief of Staff published a blog and attached these documents without the permission of the students referenced in the documents or appropriate leadership from SEBTS or SWBTS
Bingo! Doesn't make it right, but this board hasn't done something that most boards don't do. Our local area school boards are consistently offering grand severance packages to Superintendents they want to be rid of! I pointed out a while back that the SWBTS trustee board at the time also offered a "golden parachute" to Russell Dilday before they locked him out. Difference between him and Patterson (mainly, though Patterson's parachute was a little "more golden") was that Dilday wouldn't accept it.Tim Bonney wrote:I'm not making any excuses for the Board's actions. But sometimes boards are tempted to give nice severance packages to avoid a lawsuit for wrongful termination. Usually such a package comes with a signed agreement that you will take no legal action against the institution for your departure. I don't know that any of that happened. But, when they first proposed the big severance agreement I wondered what was in it for the seminary.
Sandy wrote:The information provided indirectly by Patterson's former chief of staff's wife doesn't square up with what was apparently found and read by the trustees from the records which were taken from SEBTS and moved to Ft Worth. The executive committee had the actual files, Ms. Coulter is providing hearsay.
The WAPO wrote:He had been scheduled to deliver a key sermon to thousands of people at the Southern Baptist Convention’s annual meeting in Texas later this month, although it is unclear whether he will still speak.
William Thornton wrote:Sandy wrote:The information provided indirectly by Patterson's former chief of staff's wife doesn't square up with what was apparently found and read by the trustees from the records which were taken from SEBTS and moved to Ft Worth. The executive committee had the actual files, Ms. Coulter is providing hearsay.
Not sure I understand you, Sandy. The lady had the actual documents. There are issues with her actions here. Gonna be a mess for some time on this aspect alone, I'm afraid.
But do any of my mod friends here miss the irony of PP being locked out? Russell Dilday?
According to SBC President Steve Gaines:Haruo wrote:So is he still speaking in the Convention?
[Bold emphasis mine]Some have called for me to stop Dr. Patterson from preaching the Convention Sermon in Dallas. The SBC president does not have the authority to make that decision. Neither does the SBC Committee on Order of Business. It was the messengers of the 2017 SBC meeting that selected Dr. Patterson to preach the 2018 Convention Sermon. There are only two scenarios in which Dr. Patterson will not preach the Convention Sermon: 1) the messengers of the SBC vote at the annual meeting in Dallas for him not to do so, or 2) Dr. Patterson personally withdraws from that responsibility.
As public conversation has continued, correspondence regarding the matter has surfaced which were not in any files possessed by SEBTS. Such correspondence should be held in student files under protection of federal privacy laws regarding education records. It is our express desire to acquire these documents as well as any others that should be held by SEBTS.
This is old news, but interesting to me nevertheless. I looked at the signatories probably two or three weeks ago, and Wade Burleson was on it -- who is neither a woman nor an affirmer of the Baptist Faith and Message 2000. I notice today his name is no longer there, so he may have asked to have it removed (and may have not added it himself anyway).An open letter from women claiming to be Southern Baptists was written to the seminary's board of trustees expressing their objections to Patterson. Thousands of people have now signed their names to the letter – but an assistant professor of theology in women's studies at SWBTS has examined the signatures and noticed that not all are Southern Baptist women.
"People who are signing their name, they're signing their name to a document that's saying 'we women' – and you see men signing also signing their name," says Dr. Candi Finch.
According to Finch, some of the signatures are those of people from other denominations besides the SBC – and Finch said she saw fake names, even Patterson's wife. "When Mrs. Patterson's name showed up several days ago and I knew she had not signed it, I had asked them to remove her name and they were willing to do so." Mrs. Patterson's name has since been removed.
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