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Bruce Gourley wrote:With Trump now in the White House, evangelical Christians are closing ranks even more tightly around their strongman. In the estimation of some observers, so few are the evangelicals who remain committed to a world of truth that American evangelicalism may have finally destroyed itself.
Stephen Fox wrote:Sorry Dr. Thornton, If there were no Fox News, and no fundamentalist takeover of the SBC, Hillary Clinton would be president today. The links at the end of my Barnum Blog convince me of something toward which I was leaning for thirty years.
William Thornton wrote:Sorry, Hil didn't lose because of fake news. She lost because she was a terrible candidate who didn't connect well with people between NY and CA. Lord knows, she had plenty of money and staff to counter any news and create her own fake news.
Stephen Fox wrote:And let it ferment a little.
Not suckin up and remember My and Gourley's fiasco with the Collinsville Library--may be a couple paragraphs in a piece I'm considering to submit to Oxford American Mag--but Dr. Gourley has the high ground, the bigger story here.
Sorry Dr. Thornton, If there were no Fox News, and no fundamentalist takeover of the SBC, Hillary Clinton would be president today. The links at the end of my Barnum Blog convince me of something toward which I was leaning for thirty years.
William Thornton wrote:Sorry, Hil didn't lose because of fake news. She lost because she was a terrible candidate who didn't connect well with people between NY and CA. Lord knows, she had plenty of money and staff to counter any news and create her own fake news.
Baloney. The author misrepresents the facts of that time to support a false, predetermined thesis. The inexcusable defense of slavery was a symptom, not a cause.
Consider that the vast majority of those who fought for the South never owned slaves. Why, then, would they endanger their homes, family, and their own lives if slavery were the cause?
Consider that the 1863 New York City riots were a response to the Emancipation Proclamation, where Northerners violently asserted their young men would not die to free slaves.
A more complete history shows that while ending slavery was paramount to abolitionists, for the South the main causes were 1) burdensome taxes taken from the minority South to be spent in the majority North; and 2) the ignoring of the 10th amendment by a federal government imposing laws on the States without Constitutional authority.
Slavery was abolished in Great Britain by compensating slave owners for the loss of slaves, so they could transition to hired labor. Freed slaves were fully assimilated into British cultures.
Because of the hatred by the violence prone abolitionists, Congress could not reach a suitable, Constitutional compromise to avoid the looming divide. Blacks were no more seen as equals by most Northeners than they were by Southerners.
The Civil War is a direct result of ignoring the Constitution and the intransigence of the abolitionists. Like parts of New England during the War of 1812, Southern states chose the remedy of secession when reasonable compromise failed.
Contrary to politically correct thought, most of the antagonism and overt racism in the South after the war came from a combination of war crimes by Union armies and the widespread and common atrocities by carpetbaggers.
Healing began in earnest largely by the work of Booker T. Washington (if you have not read his writings, you should). By the twentieth century, huge advances in eradicating racism North and South had taken firm root because of the success of his movement and accomplishments.
Unfortunately, WEB Dubois and the NAACP undermined Washington and the successes he wrought by appealing to the greed of many blacks. That racial division sowed by Dubois and the NAACP lasts to this day.
The only hope for healing the scourge of racism today is in Christ. In Whom there is no color, and to Whom there is no race but the holy man race.
Stephen Fox wrote:And let it ferment a little.
Not suckin up and remember My and Gourley's fiasco with the Collinsville Library--may be a couple paragraphs in a piece I'm considering to submit to Oxford American Mag--but Dr. Gourley has the high ground, the bigger story here.
S. Fox "If there were no Fox News, and no fundamentalist takeover of the SBC, Hillary Clinton would be president today."
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Ft Payne Alabama Times Journal
The Editors:
Monday afternoon April 9 the first caller to the Paul Finebaum show made reference to Plainview High School, their legendary alum Jeremy Pruett now with the U Tenn Vols, and Auburn legend Charles Barkley. Upshot is with Barkley's recent interview on CNN and his pledge of half million dollars toward a revisionary High School history curriculum it's way passed time for Dekalb County to come out of the 19th Century and begin to tell the whole truth and nothing but the Truth to students about the Civil War.
I am a proud graduate of Furman University in Greenville South Carolina whose class of 2018 will include Clayte Hubbard, son of former Bama Speaker of the House, Mike Hubbard. Edwin C. Bridges is an early 80s graduate of Furman and for the last 30 odd years has been director of archives for the state of Alabama in Montgomery. Right after Christmas 2017 I picked up a copy of his new (2016) history of Alabama. It is great.
He sets the proper course for the misinformation of the Daughters of the Confederacy and other groups about the the Civil War. In a great 27 page chapter on the War and Reconstruction he says in the 1890s the DOC and other groups set out to restructure the the teaching of history in Alabama to conform to views they had adopted for their own white women's group. They didn't like what they considered the insults of the North. Built on a sequence of interelated claims some of which isolated were true they concocted a story comparable to current fundamentalist views on the Bible that distort the truths of Scripture. They sought to downplay slavery as a cause of the war and modified the role of Redeemer White Groups use of violence during Reconstruction to reassert white control in the South. Because of the economy of textbook publication the false narrative of the DOC pretty much became the official view of textbooks nationwide.
At a minimum Historical associations in Dekalb County, Womens study clubs, even WMU chapters in your local Baptist church can get hold of a copy of Bridges History. For extra mustard there is a photo of my hero Judge Frank Johnson in the book, even one of downtown Collinsville. The Board of Education in Rainsville should have a copy for school board members to consult and every High school library in the system should have a copy in their libraries by the beginning of next year.
Sincerely, Stephen M. Fox
Although specific historical examples could be produced to support each of their claims, as a whole they amounted to a rewriting of history that distorted it in fundamental ways.
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