Moderator: William Thornton
Now here's a link I hope Thornton's readers will cut and paste or google at the Benton Courier:
http://www.bentoncourier.com/content/fo ... ottie-moon
William of Barrow County has also posted at forums of Baptist Life dot com SBC Trends.
I have challenged him there to engage the thinking of Calvinist scholar and Pulitzer winner Marilynne Robinson on matters of experience and Dogma.
With Cat Allen who worshipped with me at the church where my Mother was baptized--David Currie and Mark Baggett were there with my then pastor and his wife, Francis Schaeffer disciples--Feb 24, 2002; I am convinced if nothing else Lottie Moon were she with us Today Would not: I repeat would not be an apologist for the Fundamentalist Takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Can I get a Witness; Do I see a Raised hand out there under Conviction?
In my recently published study of Moon, I have stripped away the layers of misinformation that had built up since her death in 1912. As I looked closely at the primary sources, I found a woman whose life and work offers a view of nineteenth-century womanhood that corrects an understanding of them as passive and resigned to a domestic fate. Moon’s decision to go abroad as a pioneering single woman missionary was notable, to be sure. But her decision to advocate for the formation of the Woman’s Missionary Union and to argue for equal treatment of male and female missionaries moves her into the realm of activist and advocate. Only by removing the artifice of legend was I able to reveal the story of Moon’s unusual upbringing in Albemarle County, Virginia, her willingness to challenge gender norms and to support female organization.
Tom Parker wrote:William:
You said:"For how Lottie might view things today, a completely wasteful exercise, you might look at Bertha Smith who was in China, Shandong province, just half a decade after Lottie's death and who lived through most of the CR."
I consider it a completely wasteful exercise to try and tie Lottie Moone to the CR. I'll even say that it is just plain silly.
Just so you do not miss it. I do not see the CR through the lens that you do. It is not as all rosey as you try and paint it.
Tom Parker wrote:William:
You said:"For how Lottie might view things today, a completely wasteful exercise, you might look at Bertha Smith who was in China, Shandong province, just half a decade after Lottie's death and who lived through most of the CR."
I consider it a completely wasteful exercise to try and tie Lottie Moone to the CR. I'll even say that it is just plain silly.
Just so you do not miss it. I do not see the CR through the lens that you do. It is not as all rosey as you try and paint it.
Tom Parker wrote:David Flick:
William said the following on one of his posts at his blog site:"Occasionally, I wonder if the SBC would have been as well or better off if former SBC moderates were still around and involved, then I read about some of that group like C. Welton Gaddy (here) and get over it. Thank God for the CR.William is one of my dearest friends and I respect his gems of wisdom, but I disagree with his opinion of C. Welton Gaddy. I have tremendous respect for Gaddy, having heard him both preach and speak about religious liberty and separation of church and state. I own a copy of his book, First Freedom First: A Citizen’s Guide to Protecting Religious Liberty and the Separation of Church and State. Great book about an important topic...
1That last sentence above "Thank God for the CR." makes me want to puke. 2So many people were hurt by the hostile takeover and the damage to people's lives continues to this very day.1) You're not the only one, Tom. I feel exactly as you do when I hear or read that sentence. I am repulsed by the sentence...
The 2000 BF&M continues to be used to hurt people. So, I just do not see much to be thankful about from the 1979 till now debacle. But those that support the CR and 2000 BF&M probably view the people hurt as just those that needed to leave anyhow voluntarily or not, it just does not matter what happened to them and their families.![]()
2) I was deeply hurt by the fundamentalist takeover. I never did fully recover. In fact, I'm no longer a Southern Baptist because of my opposition to the takeover movement.I lost my job as a DOM by vocally opposing the 2KBF&M. I became an outcast after speaking against a resolution on the revised confession of faith at a state convention. It's quite a long story which is too long to recount here.
I know I am ranting but sometimes I need to.You have my permission to rant all you want...
Tom Parker wrote:William said the following on one of his posts at his blog site:"Occasionally, I wonder if the SBC would have been as well or better off if former SBC moderates were still around and involved, then I read about some of that group like C. Welton Gaddy (here) and get over it. Thank God for the CR.
That last sentence above "Thank God for the CR." makes me want to puke. So many people were hurt by the hostile takeover and the damage to people's lives continues to this very day.
No problem with ranting.Tom Parker wrote:The 2000 BF&M continues to be used to hurt people. So, I just do not see much to be thankful about from the 1979 till now debacle. But those that support the CR and 2000 BF&M probably view the people hurt as just those that needed to leave anyhow voluntarily or not, it just does not matter what happened to them and their families.
I know I am ranting but sometimes I need to.
William Thornton wrote: Don't be puking bro, bad for the keyboard. I meant every syllable of that statement. If the CR had not occurred, we would be paying for people like Weldon Gaddy and their liberal political views. No thanks.
Dave Roberts wrote:William Thornton wrote: Don't be puking bro, bad for the keyboard. I meant every syllable of that statement. If the CR had not occurred, we would be paying for people like Weldon Gaddy and their liberal political views. No thanks.
Is it any better to be paying for Richard Land's right wing views given in the name of the denomination. At least Gaddy never pretended that he spoke for Southern Baptists as Land does. A true Baptist knows that he or she never speaks for a group of Baptists. All are priests capable of speaking for themselves.
Big Daddy Weaver wrote:William - as an Old Earth guy - are you more comfortable with the Young Eartherism that has become the orthodox position of your denomination or with some variant of theistic evolution? If the latter, you may have a thing or two in common with Brother Crawford.
Thursday, June 16, 2011
"I’m greatly concerned about the new idolatry in the church of elevating talk radio or Fox News before the word of God and the person of Jesus Christ when it comes to worldview. My friends, our worldview is to be shaped by the written word of God as we understand it and following Jesus Christ.’"
--Southern Baptist Convention President Bryant Wright addressing members of his denomination Tuesday (June 14) during their annual meeting in Phoenix.
William Thornton wrote:I'm not on board with theistic evolution, though I am an old earther. The young earthers are misguided geotheological Luddites trying to explain the inexplicable and ending up looking silly, not serious.
One of the great religious propaganda successes of the last half of the 20th century is young eartherism.
William Thornton wrote:I'm not on board with theistic evolution, though I am an old earther. The young earthers are misguided geotheological Luddites trying to explain the inexplicable and ending up looking silly, not serious.
One of the great religious propaganda successes of the last half of the 20th century is young eartherism.
Neil Heath wrote:True indeed! Give that man a spur!!
Love the term "geotheological" too, William.
William Thornton wrote:Thanks David and Neil. I'll add it to my collection. I feel sure I have many more spurs than anyone else. I'm thinking of cashing them in and retiring.
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