Global Warming Thread IX

[David Flick]

[Ed Edwards]

Consider this source that Bro. David quoted:

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2010/07/17/glo ... ttest-year

1. I shall check the validity of this source for general purposes. Some sites are so biased that they make up data.

2. I checked a statement they made on that page:

|| If you’d like to see a graph, click here || pointing to:

http://blogg.aftonbladet.se/vaderblogge ... m-uppmatts

Which does have a chart to look at (at which to look?). To bad it is in Swedish. But I will check that out using Google Translate.

3. That chart is somewhat like the one I have direct from NASA, yet different. As soon as I brake through the language barrier to figure out what this source really means, I'll share. Off hand it looks like the the Swedish source has a hotter "first half of 2010" than does the source I keep as my desktop (NASA).

[Ed Edwards]

Tee Hee, Men's News Daily (MND) is an advocate for MRA = Men's rights activist. that is what I thought, AGW is a feminist's plot to get control of all the money in the world. I think I'll start a new rumor/conspiracy plot: the Anti-christ should rightly be called the "Anti-christess"

[Ed Edwards]

From the Men's News Daily site named above by both Dave & Myself:

|| Besides – this is summer, and what they’re talking about is weather, not climate change. ||

Tee He, 'summer' began on 21 June 2010. That means in the first six months (half a year, 26 weeks) there were 9 full days of Summer. Sorry, when you compute six monthly numbers that show the offset that month from the average for that month 1880-2009 (or more likely 1951-1980, this article does not help tell what it means, and the graph is explained [if at all] in Swedish) -- if that is all done, then one is talking about World Wide Climate Change, not the weather. So this statement is meaniningless as a point against AGW.

BTW, that MND article has a rather meaningless thingit is arguing against. NOAA said that so far, the 2010 record shows the highest May on record, highest March to May on record, and the highest average Jan-Jun on record. things continue like this (and we shall see in the next six months) 2010 will be the hottest year on record. Only the boldest part of the above is the facts shown in the data. The IF-THEN statement, like all future IF-THEN statements, is an opinion, not a fact. Nobody knows the future but God.

[Ed Edwards]

MND, link cited above: || According to Marc Morano at Climate Depot, the 10th of a degree difference they’re talking about is the result of cherry-picking data. ||

What 0.1ºC? no clue is given. The NOAA graph I have on my Desk Top shows only the monthly data for 2010 Jan to Jun, The data all year for 1998 and 2005 are shown. The record monthly high is given for each month. Here is the data taken from the chart. The base period is 1951-1980. The reading is the "anomaly" or off set from the base period.

Highest Monthly earth-wide temps:
Month +offset + year set (ofsets are in ºC)
Jan +0.86 unk
Feb +0.80 1998
Mar +0.84 unk (2010 was +0.83, 1% off not 1/10)
Apr +0.73 2010
May +0.65 2010 (+0.64 in 1998, 1% off not 1/10)
Jun +0.70 1998
Jul +0.68 1998
Aug +0.65 1998
Sep +0.68 2005
Oct +0.62 2005
Nov +0.69 unk
Dec +0.69 unk

Note the highest monthly offsets during the year are in Jan, Feb, and Mar -- also known as Winter in the Northern Hemisphere.

[Ed Edwards]

At this announcement by NASA:

http://climateprogress.org/2010/07/10/n ... r-minimum/

NASA reported that the first half of the year was the hottest on record.

That is where I got the chart I quoted above. Study it and see if I got the data correct. TY.

[David Flick]

[Ed Edwards]

I feel like a blue person in a blue county in a red state in a blue country???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Inho ... tal_issues

|| Inhofe had previously compared the United States Environmental Protection Agency to the Gestapo[17] ||

17 Footnote:
|| ^ "James Inhofe proves "flat Earth" doesn't refer to Oklahoma.". Chris Mooney. The American Prospect, April 13, 2004. ||

Strangely, I voted for Senator Inhofe in 1996 (special election to replace Senator Boren who had become President of the University of Oklahoma [OU]); 1996; 2002; and 2008. Never again. He comes up for re-election in 2014.

[David Flick]

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[KeithE]

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[KeithE]

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[KeithE]

[Howard V]

Could it be that those most involved in the GW(AGW)/CC stuff think highly of their conclusions because they have a vested interest in thinking highly of their work and conclusions? Human beings are well known for this kind of thinking, even if they are "scientists." To put it another way, we tend to be biased, positively, in favor of what WE do or are involved with.

[KeithE]

[David Flick]

[KeithE]

David,

As for Booker, he believes smoking is not hazardous to your health; he believes asbestos is not harmful in anyway; and now is onto the anti GW kick.


I have no doubt you can find other idealogues like Booker who will spout off anti-AGW propaganda/prose by the score (Watts, Monckton, Horner, Singer, Ball, Morner ...). But they are not primary sources of DATA or research. They are either paid-off by big business interests (interested in short-term profits) or more likely such free-market idealogues that they are against any form of regulation (even if earth itself is being put in peril). They search any info to find hints that will support them and are not honest brokers. THE TRUTH IS NOT IN THESE PEOPLE. And many are duped by these people due to some perceived threat to their lifestyle/wealth (when the opposite is actually the truth).

Answer with DATA or I'm going to ignore it.

[Ed Edwards]

Bro. David: // 1) I'm sorry you're so blue today \\

Thank you for your concern. My statement was:

1. I feel like a blue person in a blue county in a red state in a blue country???

This is current presidential election code colors meaning:

I feel like a Democratic person in a Democratic county in a Republican state in a Democratic countRy

Yes, Cleveland County (Moore, Norman) is a Democratic county,
Oklahoma is a Republican state,
USA is a Democratic country (well, maybe until November elections"?
I actually am still a registered Republican.

[David Flick]

[KeithE]

[David Flick]