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NAMB has an interim leader "going nowhere but forward"...

Postby William Thornton » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:42 am

So says the head cheerleader, Trustee chairman Patterson. See his quote in the BP story below.

The interim is Richard Harris, been around a long time...

ABP story

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=31059]Chairman: 'NAMB going nowhere but forward'

ALPHARETTA, Ga. (BP)--A day after a meeting of the board of trustees of the North American Mission Board ended with the resignation of President Geoff Hammond and three senior leaders, NAMB trustee chairman Tim Patterson expressed his confidence in the staff and assured them "NAMB is going nowhere but forward."

While I hope that Patterson is right, that NAMB is going nowhere but forward...who knows? SBC trustees know how to use shovels and might try and dig a deeper hole. To be candid, I am fed up with SBC trustees glossing over their debacles with boilerplate sunny day talk. We need complete disclosure, frank talk, and total transparency in this. Start with the severance that these former employees were given.

Southern Baptists have deserved better.
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Re: NAMB has an interim leader "going nowhere but forward"...

Postby rfuss » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:11 am

Forward is defined by the direction you are facing; whatever that is.

I have a question. Is Tim Patterson related to Paige Patterson?
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Re: NAMB has an interim leader "going nowhere but forward"...

Postby William Thornton » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:29 am

rfuss wrote:Forward is defined by the direction you are facing; whatever that is.

I have a question. Is Tim Patterson related to Paige Patterson?


No.
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Re: NAMB has an interim leader "going nowhere but forward"...

Postby Wade Burleson » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:02 am

rfuss wrote:Forward is defined by the direction you are facing; whatever that is.

I have a question. Is Tim Patterson related to Paige Patterson?


No, Tim is not related to Paige. It is interesting to note that Tim Patterson, Chairman of the NAMB Trustees and Tom Hatley, former Chairman of the IMB trustees were at school together and graduated from Criswell College when Paige Pattesrson was her President. Nothing implied by me, just interesting to note.

What I find difficult to comprehend is how NAMB trustees could elect Dr. Hammond unanimously in 2007, pass a unanimous resolution of support for Dr. Hammond in May of THIS YEAR, and then fire him three months later.

Some might object to the statement Dr. Hammond was "fired," pointing out he "resigned." However, when the President is escorted from the meeting room where trustees have gathered, and for the three hours trustees hear an excoriating indictment against President Hammond's leadership from multiple "witnesses" and "documents"--only to have the meeting interrupted by Dr. Hammond himself appearing and offering his resignation effective immediately, then I would not call it a "resignation" but a "firing." Some wonder whether or not an unseen hand wrote "Mene, mene, tekel upharson" on the office wall where Dr. Hammond was waiting, or Dr. Hammond actually heard the proceedings through an open microphone which piped the meeting into the office where he waited, but regardless, Dr. Hammond wanted no part of a modern lynching--and it can be assumed the resignations of his three friends followed quite promptly.

There are a few things cause that Southern Baptists should be know:
(1). Maybe only in the former Soviet Russia and communist Cuba were defendents excused from hearing the charges against them or offering a defense, but sadly, the Southern Baptist Convention, at times, seems to be a modern equivalent of those countries in terms of hardball leadership. (Edit: I believe this analogy too harsh. NAMB trustee leadership exhibited poor understanding of Matthew 18 and other scriptural principles, but a comparison with the Soviets and Cuba was over the top. My sincere apology is offered. I would remove it but for the fact it is already being used in the comment stream below. Hopefully, my over-the-top illustration will be a reminder in the future to other SBC leaders that you don't press charges without the defendent present--it is unChristian, unbiblical and uncivil.)
(2). The "confidentiality" agreement signed by Dr. Hammond, under possible loss of severance benefits if refused, is another tactic that must come to an end in the SBC.
(3). Certain SBC leaders have intially targeted Phil Roberts of Midwestern Seminary to step in to NAMB after an appropriate interim period has passed. Phil is open to the consolidation of NAMB with the IMB, and of course, a promised high level position at the newly organized entities will help make the job more enticing. Jerry Johnson of Criswell College is targeted for Midwestern. In other words, plans are laid out long before trustees ever enter a room--most trustees have absolutely no knowledge of them.
(4). Good people--on both sides--are often caught in the crossfire. In my opinion meetings that involve Cooperative Program funds should be open to the public, broadcast by the internet, and made available to every Southern Baptist. Someone responds, "But we don't want the person being fired embarrassed publicly." I say too late. The moment you do not allow a President of your organization to be present when charges against him are made known to trustees, you have defaulted on that argument.
(5). The power in the SBC is held by the trustees of our institutions. Most Southern Baptists don't know the trustees. We should.

I'm not declaring whether or not Dr. Hammond should, or should not, have been fired. I am saying the process is corrupt. When you have other SBC institutional heads declaring who will be the next NAMB President before the current one is being fired, something smells rotten in Denmark. Trustee Chairman said NAMB "is going nowhere but forward." Let's hope the full sentence is true and not just the phrase before the conjunctive "but."

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Re: NAMB has an interim leader "going nowhere but forward"...

Postby William Thornton » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:31 pm

Wade Burleson wrote: (3). Certain SBC leaders have intially targeted Phil Roberts of Mid-America Seminary to step in to NAMB after an appropriate interim period has passed. Phil is open to the consolidation of NAMB with the IMB, and of course, a promised high level position at the newly organized entities will help make the job more enticing. Jerry Johnson of Criswell College is targeted for Mid-America. In other words, plans are laid out long before trustees ever enter a room--most trustees have absolutely no knowledge of them.


You must have Mid-America on the brain, Wade. Phil Roberts is MIDWESTERN BAPTIST THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY, the Cooperative Program supported SBC seminary in Kansas City. How about making a correction here.

I don't doubt that there was a game plan amongst the NAMB trustees before Hammond was sacked.

I agree with your other points.
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Re: NAMB has an interim leader "going nowhere but forward"...

Postby Wade Burleson » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:33 pm

Thanks William. The typo has been corrected.

I went to Kansas City to visit with Phil at Midwestern two years ago. A very funny story that I'll wait for another post.

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Re: NAMB has an interim leader "going nowhere but forward"...

Postby TimR2 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:34 pm

Wade Burleson wrote:(1). Maybe only in the former Soviet Russia and communist Cuba were defendents excused from hearing the charges against them or offering a defense, and sadly, the Southern Baptist Convention seems to be a modern equivalent of those countries in terms of hardball leadership.
(2). The "confidentiality" agreement signed by Dr. Hammond, under possible loss of severance benefits if refused, is another tactic that must come to an end in the SBC.
(3). Certain SBC leaders have intially targeted Phil Roberts of Midwestern Seminary to step in to NAMB after an appropriate interim period has passed. Phil is open to the consolidation of NAMB with the IMB, and of course, a promised high level position at the newly organized entities will help make the job more enticing. Jerry Johnson of Criswell College is targeted for Midwestern. In other words, plans are laid out long before trustees ever enter a room--most trustees have absolutely no knowledge of them.
(4). Good people--on both sides--are often caught in the crossfire. In my opinion meetings that involve Cooperative Program funds should be open to the public, broadcast by the internet, and made available to every Southern Baptist. Someone responds, "But we don't want the person being fired embarrassed publicly." I say too late. The moment you do not allow a President of your organization to be present when charges against him are made known to trustees, you have defaulted on that argument.
(5). The power in the SBC is held by the trustees of our institutions. Most Southern Baptists don't know the trustees. We should.


Wade; being the good 5-point Calvinist that you are, you apparently look at issues based on 5 points. However being the good Amyraldist that I am, I tend to look at things based on 4 points. With that said, just like Amyraldism leaves out the third point of the Dortian confessional I have to depart with you on the third point of your synopsis. Of course just as some pedobaptist go to far in their reasoning of the first point, I believe you may have ventured over the edge in your first point here. I am not sure I can agree with the comparison of the communist country's ways of doing things.

That being said, it still is a rare day for me to tell you that I do agree with most of what you have said. :) Of course, if it happened the way you described it, that would answer a question I was asked; "where is the resignation letter"?

One other thing I believe many have forgotten. Dr. Hammond, along with the three that resigned, were in the SBCV. I am curious as to the relationship that may have been fractured between them and the SBC over this treatment.
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Re: NAMB has an interim leader "going nowhere but forward"...

Postby Wade Burleson » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:00 pm

TimR2 wrote:
Wade Burleson wrote:(1). Maybe only in the former Soviet Russia and communist Cuba were defendents excused from hearing the charges against them or offering a defense, and sadly, the Southern Baptist Convention seems to be a modern equivalent of those countries in terms of hardball leadership.
(2). The "confidentiality" agreement signed by Dr. Hammond, under possible loss of severance benefits if refused, is another tactic that must come to an end in the SBC.
(3). Certain SBC leaders have intially targeted Phil Roberts of Midwestern Seminary to step in to NAMB after an appropriate interim period has passed. Phil is open to the consolidation of NAMB with the IMB, and of course, a promised high level position at the newly organized entities will help make the job more enticing. Jerry Johnson of Criswell College is targeted for Midwestern. In other words, plans are laid out long before trustees ever enter a room--most trustees have absolutely no knowledge of them.
(4). Good people--on both sides--are often caught in the crossfire. In my opinion meetings that involve Cooperative Program funds should be open to the public, broadcast by the internet, and made available to every Southern Baptist. Someone responds, "But we don't want the person being fired embarrassed publicly." I say too late. The moment you do not allow a President of your organization to be present when charges against him are made known to trustees, you have defaulted on that argument.
(5). The power in the SBC is held by the trustees of our institutions. Most Southern Baptists don't know the trustees. We should.


Wade; being the good 5-point Calvinist that you are, you apparently look at issues based on 5 points. However being the good Amyraldist that I am, I tend to look at things based on 4 points. With that said, just like Amyraldism leaves out the third point of the Dortian confessional I have to depart with you on the third point of your synopsis. Of course just as some pedobaptist go to far in their reasoning of the first point, I believe you may have ventured over the edge in your first point here. I am not sure I can agree with the comparison of the communist country's ways of doing things.

That being said, it still is a rare day for me to tell you that I do agree with most of what you have said. :) Of course, if it happened the way you described it, that would answer a question I was asked; "where is the resignation letter"?

One other thing I believe many have forgotten. Dr. Hammond, along with the three that resigned, were in the SBCV. I am curious as to the relationship that may have been fractured between them and the SBC over this treatment.


Tim, I agree. My analogy was over the top. My apology is above.

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