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C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby Mark » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:07 pm

It's been interesting to follow the ongoing debate within the Baptist blog world as to whether or what, if anything, C.B. Scott actually said or implied re: Obama being a terrorist, or even synonymous with Osama bin Laden, mostly because of Obama's alleged views on abortion. C.B. has now written a couple of new blog entries in response to all of it:
http://cbscottreport.blogspot.com/2008/ ... -wade.html
http://cbscottreport.blogspot.com/2008/ ... tions.html

Here's Wade's blog entry which fueled the original debate:
http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2008/ ... o-end.html
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:36 pm

Gettin the word out about this; we'll see where it goes.

Just got a kind email from Dr. Killian about his election.

He was wondering if I got the word out about him being formidable, a consensus candidate and him being unopposed.

I do what I can :)

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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby William Thornton » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:32 pm

I don't know that much of anything can be generalized from C. B. Scott's opinion. He has a blog. He has strident opinions. He posts them. Everyone can read them. It says nothing much at all other than there are active bloggers who swap this stuff back and forth. Like his views or not, CBS is the real item with respect to protection of the unborn. I can't find his posts but I think he has practiced what he preaches on this.

Folks have opinions...big deal.
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby Haruo » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:47 pm

Well, I am not convinced that "abortion is our national sin"; if I were so convinced, I might find it easier to swallow the leaps of logic and of judgment that CB Scott practices. That he does so while asserting that Wade Burleson and his other like-minded critics must not have a third-grade reading comprehension level suggests that he is simply given to hyperbole, a very biblical, prophetic sort of thing to be given to (can we say "brood of vipers"?) but one that needs to be taken with a block of salt by those striving for conversation.
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My comment on Scott's blog

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:34 pm

Mr. Scott:
Baylor proff Barry Hankins has written a new book about Francis Schaeffer, who was one of the foundation blocks I understand for Richard Land and Al Mohler on abortion.
If you criminalize abortion, how are you gonna implement the laws.
Will you seek the death penalty for doctors who perform them and the women on whom they are performed.
I haven't found many in your group who have answered the politics of abortion as presented by Catholic thinker Garry Wills in his book Head and Heart.
And you have know cogent answer for the Gorney chat on NPR/Fresh Air of Oct 29 or 30.
Convince Bob Terry and Gary Fenton of the inviolability of your outrageous positions. Otherwise you are not much more than what Kathleen Parker said you were in her nationally syndicated column published in Nov 20 Bham News


and here is the link to the Kathleen Parker column:

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/story/1409338.html
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby Stephen Fox » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:48 pm

Scott's blog comments are pretty thick with a fan of Wade Burleson, a Debbie Kaufmann taking Scott to task pretty strongly supporting Burleson.
Scott became so flustered he deleted one of Kaufmann's comments.

It is pretty interesting. Would be interesting to see how Richard Land and Timothy George would navigate such a hardline view.
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby Hal Eaton » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:59 pm

Musings on the topic: Oldad has always been suspicious of any self-appointed leader (religious, political, secular, whatever) whose agenda is based on a solid, one-way, narrow, take-no-prisoners, arbitrary commitment to a single absolute. (This suspicion makes me wary of many-a preacher.)

Single absolute examples: abortion, monotheism (a true God defies being enumerated by us'ns){the Trinity?}, One road to salvation (to hell with all others), teetotalism, to name a few. Add more at your own peril (from the naysayers).

To all naysayers, Beware. This is all in the area of IMO. Your O may differ, but be prepared to both admit to its origins and defend its acceptability.
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CB Scott addresses his comment lin

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:54 pm

Heretic,

Thank you for your response. I was rather sure that would be your response. I also thank you for exposing yourself for what you are.

I have read several of your posts. I realize you think you are rather "bright" with your continual left-wing ideas.

I laughed out loud when I read in your last post:

"1. encourage a fundamentalist to talk,
2. listen, and
3. publish the fundamentalist's remarks.

In many instances nothing else need be said."

I am sorry Heretic, but you, as are most liberals, are an amature at that game. Obviously you have not actually read "The Art of War" all the way through.

It was rather easy to see your play here. As a result you have shown your true character with many statements.

I will record two here to make the point and then give a couple of observations.

You said:

"Except in late-term pregnancy, I don't hold to the "unborn" being a child, but rather a fetus. With extant research, I am not apt to change my mind and accept your premise, nor am I inclined to convince you otherwise of your stated belief, but I think, fortunately, there is some emerging common ground among the competing camps for enacting policy that will facililate a reduction in abortions."

You have finally said:

"I am in favor of Obama supporting this act. For me, the final decision to give birth or to abort is that of the woman; her freedom of choice outweighs any entity's claim on and interpretation of her experience."

If one is of reasonable intelligence it is easy to see how you contradict yourself in these two statements. Your liberalism forces you to seek the politically correct answer even if it does negate your theologically and socially weak weak effort to sound as if you do think in a rational manner about abortion when you drop such a pitiful dribble as:

" but I think, fortunately, there is some emerging common ground among the competing camps for enacting policy that will facililate a reduction in abortions."

You see, Heretic, if a person with biblical convictions and a real biblical worldview waits guys like you out you always reveal your lack of understanding and the doublemindedness of your character.

There are some observations I will make now as based upon our little debate.

1. You are a liberal.
2. Heretic does describe you well.
3. You have no true respect for human life.
4. You are, in fact a theological dwarf.
5. You really have no true respect for women. Obviously you are simply an armchair minister, if one at all, because you do not for one instant understand the torment most women go through after they actually abort their babies. Since 1973 the emotional carnage for women who had abortions early in life is at epidemic proportions in this nation.
6. Having honor and integrity is just not your strong suit.
7. You are ignorant and you are a liar.
8. Lastly you are a coward and surely you are a shame to someone who knows you.

Go your way Heretic. If you are a Southern Baptist at this point, you are a poor example of who and what we are.

I do think you were of the liberal element among us back during the Conservative Resurgence. Yet, I could be wrong. Actually I do hope I am wrong. For even the old line liberals of that time had more character than to sanction murder of the innocents.

BTW, if you are presently employed as in South Carolina in any type of education wherein you can influence young people, consider putting in your resignation. Guys like you have done enough damage to our culture peddling your snake oil of intellectual, emotional, and spiritual pollution to the young men and women of our nation.

Heretic, Let me encourage you to repent. Seek the face of God. Make sure you know Christ in the free pardon of sin. Apologize to your family for leading them to believe the things you promote here.

Find a good New Testament church where a man of God is preaching the Word. Get into a good Bible study group. Learn the truth of Scripture.

If we ever meet in person I will gladly buy you a coup of coffee and talk about all of this face-to-face.

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Scott has talked in similar language to Wade Burleson and Wade's defender Deb Kauffmann.
As I read his blog, he seems to be strongly supported by Bob Cleveland an influential member of former Bama SBC prez Buddy Gray's Hunter Street Church.
If Scott's tone is supported by Bob Terry, Rick Lance and Joe Godfrey; then the Alabama Baptist Convention with all due respect to my good friend John Killian, is becoming more backwater by the day.
As Scott's blog on this matter is explored by Bob Terry and eventually I would imagine the secular press in Alabama--as a difference read the columns of Joey Kennedy, of the Bham News, a leading layman at CBF's Southside BC in Bham--I hope Timothy George's pamphlet underwritten by SBC ERLC's Land comes under scrutiny as well as it has controversial in at least one Sunday School class that I am aware of.
George demonizes Southern Seminaries' Paul Simmons in the pamphlet like manner Scott has treated his blog's dissenting comment.
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby Big Daddy Weaver » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:13 pm

Wonder how effective C.B. Scott's INSULT & REPENT strategy has been?

I bet he's changed the hearts and minds of dozens with his verbal attacks.
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The Next Test

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:42 pm

This could be the next test for CB Scott with the Obama administration, as his influence through Bob Cleveland and former Alabma SBC prez Buddy Gray rises.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/archi ... istration/
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CB Scott and My friend Dr. Killian

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:54 pm

have taken up the abortion cause in the comment line of my BJU blog.

I'm calling in Rick Lance and Bob Terry to referee.

http://foxofbama.blogspot.com/2008/11/b ... -race.html
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A link for CB Scott

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:01 pm

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My latest cb scott response

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:43 pm

submitted to his blog:

If I can think of something better, CB I will let you know; but for the time being this link rings pretty true for me.
I will also post it at bl.com where you and your audience can just click on it.
For you and Dr. Killian and the Fisher Humphreys connection; Damon Linker, referenced in the blog, had an excellent review of Fisher's nephew Charles Marsh last Spring in tnr.com
Marsh will have an interview in Dec Baptists today.
Here is some middle ground for you to chew on.

http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/arch ... d_foca.php

Or just google, lot of key words there to work with.
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The Parsing CB Scott refuses to engage

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:58 pm

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=96316327

Here CB, I have linked it for you and Paige Patterson.

Blog on Gorney and Wills.

Will be following; and by all means do engage GAry Fenton, Bishop Willimon, Rick Lance and Bob Terry in this discussion.
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Two links for CB Scott

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:54 am

http://www.christiancentury.org/article.lasso?id=5737

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/200 ... -r-al.html

The 2nd Buchanan, the former Alabama US congressman, was defeated by one term Congressman Albert Lee Smith, the bane of James Dunn on the BJC.
I saw Buchanan the first year I moved to Bama at BCOC where Sarah Shelton is now Pastor. Then Pastor whose name I will remember shortly is now pastor at the Historic Baptist Congregation in Providence Rhode Island.

CB Scott carries the flag of Albert Lee Smith.

Let's hope Rick Lance and Bob Terry will show their colors on the CB Scott matter soon; and wouldn't hurt for Charles Marsh's lifelong friend and Bush judicial nominee to distinguish himself from CB Scott as well.
Charles Pickering, the SBC Peace Committee Member.

Put CB Scott and Timothy George on the margins where they belong with their abortion wedge politics chocked full of mendacity.
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Two links for CB Scott

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:54 am

http://www.christiancentury.org/article.lasso?id=5737

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/200 ... -r-al.html

The 2nd Buchanan, the former Alabama US congressman, was defeated by one term Congressman Albert Lee Smith, the bane of James Dunn on the BJC.
I saw Buchanan the first year I moved to Bama at BCOC where Sarah Shelton is now Pastor. Then Pastor whose name I will remember shortly is now pastor at the Historic Baptist Congregation in Providence Rhode Island.

CB Scott carries the flag of Albert Lee Smith.

Let's hope Rick Lance and Bob Terry will show their colors on the CB Scott matter soon; and wouldn't hurt for Charles Marsh's lifelong friend and Bush judicial nominee to distinguish himself from CB Scott as well.
Charles Pickering, the SBC Peace Committee Member.

Put CB Scott and Timothy George on the margins where they belong with their abortion wedge politics chocked full of mendacity.
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Re: Two links for CB Scott

Postby Mark » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:18 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:I saw [former U.S. Congressman and moderate Republican John H.] Buchanan [Jr.] the first year I moved to Bama at BCOC [Baptist Church of the Covenant] where Sarah Shelton is now Pastor. Then Pastor whose name I will remember shortly is now pastor at the Historic Baptist Congregation in Providence Rhode Island....

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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby jeremy_shoulta » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:32 pm

C.B. is not capable of civil discussion with someone who posts thoughtful insight opposite his own - especially in regards to abortion, it seems.

Name-calling and belittling is his M.O. when it comes to people who take him to task on anything he feels passionate about.

My first experience w/ CB was about the New Baptist Covenant, which he obviously had huge problems with. After a little discussion, here's what he wrote to me:

Now, I will speak to what I KNOW FOR A FACT.

You are probably like thousands of young people seeking to follow Christ in ministry.

You are misguided. Someone failed you somewhere along the way.

The "theological" institution [Baptist Seminary of Kentucky] you are in is not one. The faculty list reads like a roll call of disgruntled liberals from the days of the Conservative Resurgence. I know some of those people. I have done battle with some of those people. I am glad they are long gone from having opportunity to poison young minds on CP dollars. At least their departure can be credited to those of us who fought them in trench warfare back in the day.

Let me encourage you to flee from that place and enter some institution of theological education, be it a SBC institution or be it not. That is not the important thing. The important thing is for you to withdraw tomorrow and go elsewhere.

What I am about to say may draw fire from many, but I have been under fire many times so I do not care.

God did not intend for you to get an education in the institution you have chosen. God did not bring that institution into being. It is like others such as Richmond Theological and a few more born of rebellion to Truth. That seminary is the spora of rebellious men nearing the threshold of biblical apostasy.

I am not saying they are lost. I am not saying they are not nice people. I am saying they are theological dwarves, not because of limited opportunity, but by choice.

Therefore, Jeremy, I beseech you by the mercies of Christ to run from that institution as fast as you can and take your soul's refuge in a biblically founded seminary of some type.

It is now easy to understand why you would have the questions of me that you have.

I shall pray for you. If I can help you to leave that theological hatchling of hell, by all means call on me.


I would encourage any free-thinking baptist to avoid discussion with this guy.
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby William Thornton » Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:23 am

jeremy_shoulta wrote:C.B. is not capable of civil discussion...I would encourage any free-thinking baptist to avoid discussion with this guy.


Got it. Free-thinking baptists should avoid discussions with those who stridently disagree with them.
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby Haruo » Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:29 am

Only because it obviously would be a huge waste of time. I see the point yet, for reasons that remain obscure, can't resist. Romans 7:21. ;-)
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The FOCA Phantom

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:03 am

http://blog.beliefnet.com/pontification ... l-pro.html

The fellow at belief net pretty much has nailed what has CB Scott and his mindset reeling.

A correction. At some point I may have said on this board Anne Graham Lotz was at a place similar to Cindy McCain and Laura Bush on abortion matters.
I may have been mistaken.

My point is it doesn't appear Lotz wears this wedge madness on her sleeve like CB Scott. She is further along on Pilgrimage, I think it safe to say than CB Scott and her Brother Franklin.

from the belief net Phantom:

So why the focus on FOCA by Catholic conservatives? I'd say a couple of things: One, the election was a resounding defeat for their camp, and exposed division in the church and within the pro-life movement. While they retrench, they need to keep the focus on an enemy, and FOCA serves that purpose. The pro-life movement has largely been an opposition movement, and that dynamic is hard to change, and it could hurt fundraising at a bad time for all fundraisers. Two, the conservatives can also claim "credit" for defeating FOCA when it does not become law.

The problem of course is that this straw men and red herrings divert us all from the hard work to be done on this issue, both within the church and in the public square. Opposition to FOCA should be part of that, to keep the pressure on and pols honest. But using a phantom FOCA as a single-issue means of demonizing one's political opponents does no good to one's cause, or the wider society
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby jeremy_shoulta » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:15 pm

William Thornton wrote:
jeremy_shoulta wrote:C.B. is not capable of civil discussion...I would encourage any free-thinking baptist to avoid discussion with this guy.


Got it. Free-thinking baptists should avoid discussions with those who stridently disagree with them.


William: You very well know that's not what I said or implied. I've noticed that you love to disagree with anything I post, but certainly you can agree that it is not worth engaging someone who simply chooses to insult, name-call, and belittle someone who strongly disagrees on an issue.
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby Haruo » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:48 pm

His ansolute certainty that he knows the mind of God touching minutiae like whether God was involved in setting up particular seminaries certainly makes me leery of him, and would even if I agreed with more of his ("God's") opinions.
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby William Thornton » Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:17 pm

jeremy_shoulta wrote:
William Thornton wrote:
jeremy_shoulta wrote:C.B. is not capable of civil discussion...I would encourage any free-thinking baptist to avoid discussion with this guy.


Got it. Free-thinking baptists should avoid discussions with those who stridently disagree with them.


William: You very well know that's not what I said or implied. I've noticed that you love to disagree with anything I post, but certainly you can agree that it is not worth engaging someone who simply chooses to insult, name-call, and belittle someone who strongly disagrees on an issue.


Huh?

It just looked like you were encouraging 'free-thinking baptists', which most of us recognize as code terminology which divides the world into two hemispheres - free-thinking baptists (translate: mod/lib, errantist baptists) and unfree-thinking baptists (translate: conservatives who believe the Bible to be 'truth without mixture of error), to avoid discussions with those who disagree with them.

Like I said - got it.
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Re: C.B. Scott on Obama, Osama, and Wade Burleson

Postby jeremy_shoulta » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:12 pm

William Thornton wrote:Huh?

It just looked like you were encouraging 'free-thinking baptists', which most of us recognize as code terminology which divides the world into two hemispheres - free-thinking baptists (translate: mod/lib, errantist baptists) and unfree-thinking baptists (translate: conservatives who believe the Bible to be 'truth without mixture of error), to avoid discussions with those who disagree with them.

Like I said - got it.


Sorry about the confusion, but no code or hidden meaning.

By free-thinking, I meant non-fundamentalist.
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