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Postby KeithE » Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:31 pm

My initial comment: The attack on Congress has shown the degree of hatred that Trump supporters (neo-Nazis, white supremacists, anti-semites, gun supporters, Hillary haters, some evangelicals, some democrat haters, some anti-socialism, and anti-LBGTQs) have and that they act when dear leader commands. Removing Trump will not end this despicable set of movement(s). Only a movement of the Spirit will do (btw, nominally non-Christians can have movements of he Spirit).

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Particularly interested in any change of heart in William. The so-called “IhateTrump” camp has been shown to be justified.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby William Thornton » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 pm

KeithE wrote:My initial comment: The attack on Congress has shown the degree of hatred that Trump supporters (neo-Nazis, white supremacists, anti-semites, gun supporters, Hillary haters, some evangelicals, some democrat haters, some anti-socialism, and anti-LBGTQs) have and that they act when dear leader commands. Removing Trump will not end this despicable set of movement(s). Only a movement of the Spirit will do (btw, nominally non-Christians can have movements of he Spirit).

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Particularly interested in any change of heart in William. The so-called “IhateTrump” camp has been shown to be justified.


Would you just read your junk? “...Trump supporters (neo-Nazis, white supremacists, anti-semites, gun supporters, Hillary haters, some evangelicals, some democrat haters, some anti-socialism, and anti-LBGTQs)”

I congratulated my modlib friends the day after the election. No conspiracy, qanon, election stolen stuff from me. Wrote a piece the day after about praying for prez elect Biden. Trump cost the gop the senate. Destroyed his own political future. Made himself a liability, toxic to all but the lunatic fringe.

I’m sure we all share revulsion of the capitol takeover.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby KeithE » Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:13 pm

William Thornton wrote:
KeithE wrote:My initial comment: The attack on Congress has shown the degree of hatred that Trump supporters (neo-Nazis, white supremacists, anti-semites, gun supporters, Hillary haters, some evangelicals, some democrat haters, some anti-socialism, and anti-LBGTQs) have and that they act when dear leader commands. Removing Trump will not end this despicable set of movement(s). Only a movement of the Spirit will do (btw, nominally non-Christians can have movements of he Spirit).

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Particularly interested in any change of heart in William. The so-called “IhateTrump” camp has been shown to be justified.


Would you just read your junk? “...Trump supporters (neo-Nazis, white supremacists, anti-semites, gun supporters, Hillary haters, some evangelicals, some democrat haters, some anti-socialism, and anti-LBGTQs)”


OK I read my “junk”. Just to be clear Trump supporters are a coalition of the groups I mentioned and some other groups (e.g. wealthy businessmen looking for regulatory handouts). And the makeup of the Capitol insurrection group I sure includes some from each category; not that all invaders are all of these categories. I qualified the less violent (and probably less participatory) as “some" evangelicals, “some" who’s motivation is anti democratic/socialistic policies. That is not “junk”, it is reasonable assumptions.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby William Thornton » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:08 am

Junk. And why this place continues to be dead.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby Dave Roberts » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:32 am

William Thornton wrote:Junk. And why this place continues to be dead.


Perhaps there are some names that do need to be attached to this. Insurrectionists is one, lynch mob is another (since they had built a makeshift gallows out front for Congress members they hate), thieves who stole property belonging to the American people and possibly intelligence from offices they burglarized (which would call for prosecution under the intelligence laws or the Patriot Act), vandals who caused untold thousands of dollars of destruction to the Capitol, and murderers who killed a police officer doing his duty to protect the members of Congress. Let's label them for what they are and prosecute accordingly. Being a cop's kid, I frankly hope those who murdered the officer with a fire extinguisher and the pipe sleeves they carried over the bases of their flag poles never see the outside of a prison for the rest of their lives--the death penalty would be too good for them.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby William Thornton » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:46 am

Dave Roberts wrote:
William Thornton wrote:Junk. And why this place continues to be dead.


Perhaps there are some names that do need to be attached to this. Insurrectionists is one, lynch mob is another (since they had built a makeshift gallows out front for Congress members they hate), thieves who stole property belonging to the American people and possibly intelligence from offices they burglarized (which would call for prosecution under the intelligence laws or the Patriot Act), vandals who caused untold thousands of dollars of destruction to the Capitol, and murderers who killed a police officer doing his duty to protect the members of Congress. Let's label them for what they are and prosecute accordingly. Being a cop's kid, I frankly hope those who murdered the officer with a fire extinguisher and the pipe sleeves they carried over the bases of their flag poles never see the outside of a prison for the rest of their lives--the death penalty would be too good for them.


None of which anyone here would argue with and I join you in desiring punishment and justice. Keith got a bit carried away with his initial post. Happens.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby William Thornton » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:39 pm

Hope you had a nice Christmas, Stephen. If you want to comment, comment. No marching orders or reading lists please.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby KeithE » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:36 pm

William Thornton wrote:Junk. And why this place continues to be dead.


I ask those who might be reading here, to say that my presence herein causes them to not venture this way as often as they used to.

Your blame is just another one of your instant opinions, sans any facts.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby KeithE » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:41 pm

Apologize!! - for over a decade of dissing my voice usually w/o evidential facts (or usually, by all appearances, with any thoughtful reading of posts often constructed with substantial study).
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby KeithE » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:00 pm

BTW I prefer this space more than BL on Facebook. Prefer the format and ease of use (for one, making a new paragraph on FB requires a precisely timed Control and Return).

But William has made this place less attractive for me at least.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby William Thornton » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:26 am

KeithE wrote:BTW I prefer this space more than BL on Facebook. Prefer the format and ease of use (for one, making a new paragraph on FB requires a precisely timed Control and Return).

But William has made this place less attractive for me at least.


Yeah. Point that bony finger bro. You are blind to not a little here and , as brilliant as you think you are, I don’t take my orders from you, regardless of my affection for you and all the old timers here.

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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby Joseph Patrick » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:10 am

KeithE wrote:
William Thornton wrote:Junk. And why this place continues to be dead.


I ask those who might be reading here, to say that my presence herein causes them to not venture this way as often as they used to.

Your blame is just another one of your instant opinions, sans any facts.


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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby KeithE » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:15 am

William Thornton wrote:
KeithE wrote:BTW I prefer this space more than BL on Facebook. Prefer the format and ease of use (for one, making a new paragraph on FB requires a precisely timed Control and Return).

But William has made this place less attractive for me at least.


Yeah. Point that bony finger bro. You are blind to not a little here and , as brilliant as you think you are, I don’t take my orders from you, regardless of my affection for you and all the old timers here.

Looking forward to a Biden admin in a lot of ways.

I was not pointing any finger at you for the drop of BL usage. Just expressed that this space is less attractive for me because of your instant puts downs to whatever I post (e.g. recently “blind”, “addled brain”, “junk”, etc. etc.). You have a funny way of showing you affection; I’ll admit I have little affection for you anymore until you APOLOGIZE.

Glad you are open to a Biden admin. What are some of your “lot of ways”?

In 2017 I had hopes for Trump on several factors he campaigned on. I'll repeat them here:
1) Get out of the Middle East
2) Infrastructure program
3) Relief for the working class
4) Overturn Woe vs Wade

Trump accomplished none of these

Now in 2021 I look forward to Biden on several fronts that he has campaigned on:
The first 3 above
4) (most important) Covid defeat
5) Economic recovery
6) Overturn Citizen’s United and other election reforms
7) Police Reform / Civil Rights
8) Climate Change / conversion to alternative energy (it is already cheaper than fossil fuels)
9) Min Wage Increase (I would push for a max wage)
10) health care / enhanced ObamaCare (I would push for some form of Medicare-for-All)
11) Re-estabishmnet of Environment Regulations gutted by Trump

What are the policy changes y’all are looking forward to?
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Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:20 am

https://religiondispatches.org/q-shaman ... ategories/

The question for today is how are the Q anon Shaman and Criswell and Pressler and Helms similar, and how are they different. For certain they all have convening power.
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Re: With Keith E re facebook versus the old reliable

Postby KeithE » Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:10 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:https://religiondispatches.org/q-shamans-new-age-radical-right-blend-hints-at-the-blurring-of-seemingly-disparate-categories/

The question for today is how are the Q anon Shaman and Criswell and Pressler and Helms similar, and how are they different. For certain they all have convening power.

Interesting article.

Seems unrelated to your post title. So let me ask about that- do you prefer “old reliable” BL format to the Facebook BL?

I do not think Criswell/Pressler/Helms relate in way to this Q Shaman - decades apart.
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Postby William Thornton » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:52 pm

I’d go with your first five. Just an admin with grown ups and less chaos is an improvement.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby William Thornton » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:52 pm

I’d go with your first five. Just an admin with grown ups and less chaos is an improvement.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby KeithE » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:14 am

William Thornton wrote:I’d go with your first five. Just an admin with grown ups and less chaos is an improvement.

Agreed on the first 5 and that is progress. And congrats on no epithets being hurled.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby Joseph Patrick » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:25 pm

Joseph Patrick wrote:
KeithE wrote:
William Thornton wrote:Junk. And why this place continues to be dead.


I ask those who might be reading here, to say that my presence herein causes them to not venture this way as often as they used to.

Your blame is just another one of your instant opinions, sans any facts.


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From Gerry Milligan ... Keith, you might be surprised to learn that the cowardly, anonymous deleter found on BaptistLife also deletes posts on SBC Voices. Interesting.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby KeithE » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:28 pm

From Gerry Milligan ... Keith, you might be surprised to learn that the cowardly, anonymous deleter found on BaptistLife also deletes posts on SBC Voices. Interesting.

I assume you are talking about William.

Can you let us know what was deleted. Repost it if it was your post.

I'm moving this to the more appropriate thread. But keeping it here as well - would hate tone accused of deletion.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby Joseph Patrick » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:29 am

KeithE wrote:
From Gerry Milligan ... Keith, you might be surprised to learn that the cowardly, anonymous deleter found on BaptistLife also deletes posts on SBC Voices. Interesting.

I assume you are talking about William.

Can you let us know what was deleted. Repost it if it was your post.

I'm moving this to the more appropriate thread. But keeping it here as well - would hate tone accused of deletion.


From Gerry Milligan ... Anything to do with Georgia voter suppression is deleted from here and one about Racism in Georgia, voter suppression in Georgia, and part of a posting about socialism on the other one. So. I'm gone from both, and your guess is probably correct.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby William Thornton » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:10 pm

I deleted stuff because it was Facebook crap. If you’re going to take shots at me, goodbye. I’m not interested in wars here again. You guys don’t seem to understand what kills things here.

Take a step back. I congratulated you on the dem win, presidential and Georgia senators. I deplored the insurrection. You, Gerry, post nutcase stuff and are still whining. Grow up.
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby ET » Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:36 pm

Well, guys, I thought I'd just drop by to see how things are going over here. I sure picked a lively thread to scroll through. :)

Hope all is well with you guys. I've surfed over a few times the last few years, but haven't commented on anything. I did turn into a first-time grandfather on August 21 or last year, so that's a big change. :)
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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby Dave Roberts » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:50 pm

ET wrote:Well, guys, I thought I'd just drop by to see how things are going over here. I sure picked a lively thread to scroll through. :)

Hope all is well with you guys. I've surfed over a few times the last few years, but haven't commented on anything. I did turn into a first-time grandfather on August 21 or last year, so that's a big change. :)


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Re: Comments About 1/6

Postby KeithE » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:30 am

ET wrote:Well, guys, I thought I'd just drop by to see how things are going over here. I sure picked a lively thread to scroll through. :)

Hope all is well with you guys. I've surfed over a few times the last few years, but haven't commented on anything. I did turn into a first-time grandfather on August 21 or last year, so that's a big change. :)

ET,

Glad to see you are still alive - grandfathering is great even in these Covid times. But are you kicking? - any changes in your political POVs?
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