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Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby KeithE » Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:50 am

Ignoring Experts, Trump Reportedly Moving to Lift Coronavirus Restrictions Over Reelection Fears

Trump predicts 'this is going to be bad' but vows to reopen America

Trump can't be trusted to make this decision

A man who is running for re-election should not be allowed to make this decision. Let alone one who trusts his gut more than health data. Look this DATA over (it is difficult to copy here). Our slope is still going up rapidly (accelerating actually) and (imo as well as Fauci’s and Burx's) we should continue our “stay at home” policies and extend it over all states who may still be at the base of the slope.

Meanwhile our President believes he made no mistakes. He did some things right - e.g. travel restrictions on China on Jan 31. But he was in denial and took no actions in February (read this). He only turned to half-hearted public health measures on March 9 and announced his/Fauci's/Burx's Coronavirus Guidelines “15 days to slow the spread” with the onset of his daily COVID-19 briefing which began on March 16. That 15 days should be extended as long as our cases are growing and then some. 15 days was wishful thinking. But OK, just extend it as needed.

I understand the tradeoffs of economics vs health. Many people (poor to rich) will die early due to the economic turndown. I understand more people will die of flu and car accidents as of today. But deaths from flu, car accidents, poverty based deaths due economic turndown, etc. are not seeing an accelerating increase right now - they are relatively flat rates. We must fix the health crisis first (and completely), then deal with the economic fallout which is very bad now but will only get worse if he health crisis is not solved. Do what China and South Korea did and why they are largely back to normal. Do what Boris has done this morning.

Nothing would make me happier than Trump makes the correct mega decision. I want to play bridge again and want my 401K to rebound.

I will continue to quarantine myself no matter what his “mega decision” is. Hope you will do the same and urge your family and friends to do so no matter what Trump decides.
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby William Thornton » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:30 am

CNN and Common Dreams, hardly unbiased sources. I agree with you that it is a mega-decision it is also, ultimately, a political decision, not a medical one, since compliance depends on voluntary actions of hundreds of millions of free citizens.

As Trump likes to say, we will see where this goes. We've got governors and mayors issuing orders here in Georgia.

Yesterday was the first of the virus press events I've watched, and I endured almost to the end. Dr. Birx was impressive, though I read some don't like her. The point that response thus far is a "blunt instrument" and can be improved with data was a good one.

Suppose Biden were president. Egad, what a mess. I want to like the guy and am slightly persuadable about voting for him (would be no chance if Bernie or Hil were the nominee) but he looks bad, sounds bad. Trump might be all over the lot with stream of consciousness, endless blather but I believe he will end up in the right place on this. He moderated his comments.

Then there's Schumer and Pelosi, gonna solve global warming, gonna reward unions, gonna give lots of pork along with money for businesses and individuals. What a disgrace.

This might be indelicate but I'm near "a pox on both your houses" stage.

I know enough about technocrats and generals to understand that important political decisions should not be left in their hands.
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:31 am

It will be a disaster if Trump ends the social distancing before the medical experts say we should. And it will cause this virus to hang around a whole lot longer. I wonder a few few Senators don’t which they had convicted him and got him out of office while they had the chance.
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:33 am

William Thornton wrote:
Then there's Schumer and Pelosi, gonna solve global warming, gonna reward unions, gonna give lots of pork along with money for businesses and individuals. What a disgrace.


...reporting from the survival bunker.


The disgrace is McConnell and crowd wanting to give 500 Billion Dollars to corporations with no stipulations but only $600 to a person who makes under $27,000 with stipulations and, last I understood, required to pay taxes on the money. Crumbs for the poor, golden parachutes for the rich.
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby KeithE » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:24 am

William Thornton wrote:CNN and Common Dreams, hardly unbiased sources. ...


So did you read them? Or just check who the source was and ignored them? Be truthful.

William said:
Then there's Schumer and Pelosi, gonna solve global warming, gonna reward unions, gonna give lots of pork along with money for businesses and individuals. What a disgrace.


The Dems stimulus plan (about COVD-19) does not include anything about the Green New Deal as good as that would be (after health crisis is over) - unless you can provide documentation. Sure GW activists are trying to get environmental provisions onto this bill through Democratic lawmakers; but they have not succeeded despite what McConnell bovines. As an example, read Progressive advocates propose $2T 'green stimulus' plan from the conservative TheHill. Notice the last paragraph of the article:
Passing the the plan is likely to be an uphill battle. Even if Democratic lawmakers were to sign on, it would still face the Republican-led Senate and the Trump White House.


Unions have been intimately involved in the discussions as they should be since much of the bill is about maintaining workers status within their company during this time.

William said:
This might be indelicate but I'm near "a pox on both your houses" stage.

Please explain- my tentative interpretation is that you are near to wishing a virus on Tim’s and my families.

William said:
I know enough about technocrats and generals to understand that important political decisions should not be left in their hands.

In this case health pandemic experts should be heeded as the highest priority; as for subsequent economic recovery, health economists shoulld rule. This should not be left to this President!
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Good! Read my links and reply to my queries above (if you want to).

Don’t intend to drone on arguing with you. I’m finding many productive things to do at home.
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby William Thornton » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:32 am

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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby William Thornton » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:34 am

Pox on both gop and dem.

Your self-centeredness is showing again.

The country is a democratic republic, run by politicians elected by people. You want a technocracy. Buy an island.
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby KeithE » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:41 am

William Thornton wrote:https://www.npr.org/2020/03/24/820268157/climate-change-push-fuels-split-on-coronavirus-stimulus


This does not say Schumer is arguing for inclusion of environmental requirements in this bill. He may or may not be doing so. Only that a few “Democrats Senators" are pushing for that.

Eight Democratic U.S. senators also called on fellow lawmakers to tie financial help for airlines and cruise lines to new environmental requirements that would reduce their carbon footprints
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby KeithE » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:47 am

William Thornton wrote:Pox on both gop and dem.

Your self-centeredness is showing again.

Oh, that’s sweet.

Your lack of precision in texting is showing again.

The country is a democratic republic, run by politicians elected by people. You want a technocracy. Buy an island.


Politicians should be listening and heeding experts whatever the subject is.
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby William Thornton » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:57 am

Let's have a spittin' contest, shall we. I've always had affection for you and Timothy. You think the worst.

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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby KeithE » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:57 am

Tim Bonney wrote:
William Thornton wrote:
Then there's Schumer and Pelosi, gonna solve global warming, gonna reward unions, gonna give lots of pork along with money for businesses and individuals. What a disgrace.


...reporting from the survival bunker.


The disgrace is McConnell and crowd wanting to give 500 Billion Dollars to corporations with no stipulations but only $600 to a person who makes under $27,000 with stipulations and, last I understood, required to pay taxes on the money. Crumbs for the poor, golden parachutes for the rich.


Amen!
And McConnell political baiting speeches the last couple of days does not help. Schumer speeches (this time) is more civil.
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby KeithE » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:01 am

William Thornton wrote:Let's have a spittin' contest, shall we. I've always had affection for you and Timothy. You think the worst.

I'll be more careful when quoting Shakespeare here for my literary challenged friends.


Didn’t really “think the worse”, more giving you an opportunity to clarify.

Your affection does not show. Your quick dismissal w/o reading links does show.
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby William Thornton » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:03 am

...OK, make my point, bro.

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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby Joseph Patrick » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:02 pm

From Gerry Milligan ... If you are suffering from appendicitis to whom do you go for help? I can assure you that I would not go to a plumber, but a physician. Our narcissistic president thinks he knows more than doctors, epidemiologists, or even Dr. Fauci, when he seeks to placate big business and billionaires. My thought is that he is thinking more of his legacy than citizens of the USA.
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Re: Tump’s Mega Decision

Postby William Thornton » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:18 pm

Your comment is rife with ideology, nothing wrong with that.

These are inherently political decisions at some stage.
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