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Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby William Thornton » Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:50 pm

...give the candidate a trophy.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Joseph Patrick » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:04 pm

From Gerry Milligan ... considering the context, while he used language not used in 1st Baptist of Podunk Holler, was the autoworker trying for a reaction? If so, he was successful.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:56 pm

You need to read the whole story. The autoworker accused Biden of intending to takeaway everyone's guns. But Biden happens to be a gun owner and has no such intention. Biden has always been a straight shooter, so to speak. He calls BS when he sees BS.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:57 pm

I got several hits on the video, but this was the only one I could get to play on my computer. It is a minute and 29 seconds and apparently cover the entire exchange.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-curses-out-autoworker/
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Joseph Patrick » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:16 am

Rvaughn wrote:I got several hits on the video, but this was the only one I could get to play on my computer. It is a minute and 29 seconds and apparently cover the entire exchange.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-curses-out-autoworker/


From Gerry Milligan ... I would be more impressed with your video if it were not from a rather(?) right-wing web site. ABC had the whole of the interaction in a more even-handed manner.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Rvaughn » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:20 am

Joseph Patrick wrote:From Gerry Milligan ... I would be more impressed with your video if it were not from a rather(?) right-wing web site. ABC had the whole of the interaction in a more even-handed manner.
Well, post up a better link if you've got one!! I suspect, nevertheless, what is on the video is what is on every video (other than the possibility of some being longer or shorter).
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Sandy » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:28 am

Noting that the Republican, Evangelical "good" Christian response at a Trump rally to something equally as crude would be cheers and applause for five minutes, followed by chants of "you're full of ----, I say, good for Biden. It's about time someone challenged all of the lies and propaganda floating around.

It doesn't appear to have affected the fact that Biden crushed the Michigan primary.
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Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:47 am

Sandy wrote:Noting that the Republican, Evangelical "good" Christian response at a Trump rally to something equally as crude would be cheers and applause for five minutes, followed by chants of "you're full of ----, I say, good for Biden. It's about time someone challenged all of the lies and propaganda floating around.

It doesn't appear to have affected the fact that Biden crushed the Michigan primary.


People seem to be in the mood for politicians that say what they think. And how should you respond to someone spouting a clear lie (probably right off of Faux News.)

I'm going to have problems with any supporter of Trump acting all upset about Biden or Sander's conversations with anyone giving the 1,000s of tweets we could all repost of Trump insulting people. If you love Trump insulting people, you don't get to call a foul on anyone else for similar but far milder behavior.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Sandy » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:07 pm

Tim Bonney wrote:.People seem to be in the mood for politicians that say what they think. And how should you respond to someone spouting a clear lie (probably right off of Faux News.)


I would like to see Joe poke his finger in Trump's face during a debate and say the same thing. It would go viral in seconds and it would be a well-deserved smack down.
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Postby KeithE » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:18 pm

Tim Bonney wrote:I'm going to have problems with any supporter of Trump acting all upset about Biden or Sander's conversations with anyone giving the 1,000s of tweets we could all repost of Trump insulting people. If you love Trump insulting people, you don't get to call a foul on anyone else for similar but far milder behavior.

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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Sandy » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:31 pm

A little more objective perspective.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/politics ... gfooterold
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Postby Rvaughn » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:32 pm

ABC affiliate WXYZ-TV of Detroit has posted a video of the exchange on YouTube. Here is a link. Wouldn't want JP/GM to defile himself watching it on a RW web site, so here you go. :-D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k2UeoY4uyU
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Rvaughn » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:44 pm

I think Sandy is right that this likely will not hurt Biden politically.
Tim Bonney wrote:I'm going to have problems with any supporter of Trump acting all upset about Biden or Sander's conversations with anyone giving the 1,000s of tweets we could all repost of Trump insulting people. If you love Trump insulting people, you don't get to call a foul on anyone else for similar but far milder behavior.
But shouldn't it work both ways, if we are going to decry low level political speech? That is, if people hate Trump insulting people, why would they cheer when someone else does it?
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Sandy » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:17 pm

Rvaughn wrote:I think Sandy is right that this likely will not hurt Biden politically.
Tim Bonney wrote:I'm going to have problems with any supporter of Trump acting all upset about Biden or Sander's conversations with anyone giving the 1,000s of tweets we could all repost of Trump insulting people. If you love Trump insulting people, you don't get to call a foul on anyone else for similar but far milder behavior.
But shouldn't it work both ways, if we are going to decry low level political speech? That is, if people hate Trump insulting people, why would they cheer when someone else does it?


Well, first of all the guy who is in the wrong here is the auto worker who kept pressing his lie. Biden didn't initiate this. There's no comparison to the childish rudeness of Trump labelling his enemies with pet names and initiating the insults himself. This isn't a valid comparison to that. I'd be opposed to a Democrat delivering the kinds of barbs and insults Trump throws around like candy off a parade float. Biden doesn't lace his speeches or tweets with insults.

Second, Biden crushed the Michigan primary on his way to winning everything last night except North Dakota. Forcefully putting down a lie is exactly what people who are tired of tweetyland want to see. It's not like he hit the guy or called his wife a slut or accused his dad of committing the Kennedy assassination.
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Postby Joseph Patrick » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:37 am

Rvaughn wrote:ABC affiliate WXYZ-TV of Detroit has posted a video of the exchange on YouTube. Here is a link. Wouldn't want JP/GM to defile himself watching it on a RW web site, so here you go. :-D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k2UeoY4uyU

From Gerry Milligan ... thank you RV for posting the one I mentioned. As mentioned, above, the autoworker initiated the interaction, then uses a FOX story to make a false claim.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Rvaughn » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:14 am

You guys have it made. Anything your candidate can do or say, Donald Trump has done worse and more often. You will never admit any wrongdoing on their parts, just point out "What about Trump". Easy peasy.

Au revoir.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Sandy » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:43 am

Rvaughn wrote:You guys have it made. Anything your candidate can do or say, Donald Trump has done worse and more often. You will never admit any wrongdoing on their parts, just point out "What about Trump". Easy peasy.

Au revoir.


Other than the fact Biden used a word I would probably not have chosen, you are trying to turn the incident into something different than it is. You're making a false comparison. Biden doesn't send out multiple tweets with unprovoked insults and stand behind a podium with a microphone gossiping about people who aren't in the room, making false accusations and attaching insults to his remarks. Biden hasn't ever done that.

Not being able to see the difference is an excellent example of how Trump has changed the definition of right and wrong among Christians, especially those who support him. Here we have a thread started by a retired SBC pastor because one of the Democratic candidates for President used a crude term in a provoked confrontation with someone who kept hammering him with a lie. But the lie isn't the problem or focus of the post, the response using a crude term is. The lie and provocation are ignored and a presupposed false narrative becomes the standard by which the incident is evaluated. Isn't that what conservative Christians call "moral relativism?"
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Postby KeithE » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:59 am

Rvaughn wrote:You guys have it made. Anything your candidate can do or say, Donald Trump has done worse and more often. You will never admit any wrongdoing on their parts, just point out "What about Trump". Easy peasy.

Au revoir.



Pretty easy and pretty true.

His character:
He is a serial liar 

He is a cheat

He can’t spell


He doesn’t read

He doesn’t listen
He has no principles

He is profoundly disloyal

He projects his every flaw on others

He whines about criticism while he dishes it out nearly daily


He accuses others of nepotism while he privileges his own children

His refusals to acknowledge facts:
He doesn’t know or seek out facts

He doesn’t respect science 


He doesn’t get math

He doesn’t acknowledge history

He routinely says that the free press is the “enemy of the people"
He says he’s a genius, but he won’t release his grades

His strange proposals:
He proposed to build a high wall across the Southern Border and Mexico will pay for it
He wanted to buy Greenland


He wanted to nuke hurricanes

He wants to be called God’s Chosen One.
He has threatened to releases ISIS fighters on Europe

His patriotism is flawed:
He says he’s for America though he cozies up to despots
He calls patriots “human scum” while surrounding himself with scumbags like Roger Stone 

He has insulted gold star families-on multiple occasions
He dodged the draft 5 times.
He attacks war heroes like John McCain while he pardons war criminals

His views of outsiders is xenophobic:
He has made anti-Semitic remarks-on multiple occasion

He started his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists and murderers

He has advocated for a “total ban” of Muslims



His judgment about people is questionable:
He has brought people who support white supremacy into his government

He has attacked many judges-on multiple occasions

He has sided with Putin-on multiple occasions

He appointed over 100 people to his WH staff who have quit or been fired

His business record is poor and full of illegal acts
He won't release his tax returns
He has over 4000 lawsuits (by or against him)
He has stiffed ten of thousands of his workers
He was fined 25 million dollars for running a FAKE university
He was fined another 2 million for stealing money that was meant for kids with cancer.


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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Rvaughn » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:18 am

This will be my last post in this forum. What you refuse to see is that I this is not about comparing Biden to Trump, or Schumer to Trump, but that I am talking about YOUR reactions. You have no need to investigate or criticize your star players, because Trump gives you an eternal out. Just say, “What about Trump.” Practically every political post you make proves that to be the case.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Sandy » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:30 pm

Rvaughn wrote:This will be my last post in this forum. What you refuse to see is that I this is not about comparing Biden to Trump, or Schumer to Trump, but that I am talking about YOUR reactions. You have no need to investigate or criticize your star players, because Trump gives you an eternal out. Just say, “What about Trump.” Practically every political post you make proves that to be the case.


The implication that there is a need to investigate or criticize is based on a completely false pretense and standard. Your presupposition is that any action at all by my "star players" should get exactly the same reaction that Trump's actions get. But that's your constriction, not mine. If Biden (who, BTW, is not my "star player" at this point, I'm voting for Sanders on Tuesday) started one of his rallies by pointing to the tiny press pen at the back of the room and telling the crowd they were liars and full of ****, as he has done on many occasions, I'd react differently to that. I'm pretty sure that if he'd gone to bed with a porn star a few months before the primaries and then used campaign funds to buy her silence, I wouldn't be in favor of that.

It's not that Trump "gives us an out." It's that our "star players" aren't morally bankrupt and they don't do those kinds of things. Neither Bernie nor Biden are guilty of doing any of that. Sorry, but it just doesn't fit your narrative.
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Postby William Thornton » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:14 pm

Rvaughn wrote:This will be my last post in this forum. What you refuse to see is that I this is not about comparing Biden to Trump, or Schumer to Trump, but that I am talking about YOUR reactions. You have no need to investigate or criticize your star players, because Trump gives you an eternal out. Just say, “What about Trump.” Practically every political post you make proves that to be the case.


I’m sorry to hear this.

Memo to my mod/lib friends: ihatetrump drives people away and that’s about all we get here. Hil lost. Trump won. Get over it.

RVaughn is far more reasonable than I. No one wants to put up with this, as Biden would put it, ****.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Haruo » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:34 pm

With sadness I just deactivated Robert Vaughn's account. I would strongly urge all of us to make a real effort to discuss matters in this politics forum with respect for our interlocutors. I understand where Robert is coming from on this, and I can't blame him for leaving.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby KeithE » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:56 pm

William Thornton wrote:
Rvaughn wrote:This will be my last post in this forum. What you refuse to see is that I this is not about comparing Biden to Trump, or Schumer to Trump, but that I am talking about YOUR reactions. You have no need to investigate or criticize your star players, because Trump gives you an eternal out. Just say, “What about Trump.” Practically every political post you make proves that to be the case.


I’m sorry to hear this.

Memo to my mod/lib friends: ihatetrump drives people away and that’s about all we get here. Hil lost. Trump won. Get over it.

RVaughn is far more reasonable than I. No one wants to put up with this, as Biden would put it, ****.


Memo to my con friend: You have called me “silly" and “incoherent" recently. And now you call my post **** (as Biden would say). And nothing happens to called you out on this clear violation of forum rule 2. My dressing down of Trump (someone not on this board) is not against any form rule and should be expected for public persona - many cons certainly dissed Obama.

When I make a good case for a public persona's bad behavior, it tends to hurt people supporting that persona when they cannot reply. I recognize that but the attempt is made to have them rethink their support.

But I did not expect rvaughn to quit. And for that I am sorry that he has done so.

William is right, rvaughn is more reasonable than he is.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby KeithE » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:29 pm

Haruo wrote:With sadness I just deactivated Robert Vaughn's account. I would strongly urge all of us to make a real effort to discuss matters in this politics forum with respect for our interlocutors. I understand where Robert is coming from on this, and I can't blame him for leaving.


Do you blame me?

As the forum rules say “pointed discussion is to be expected” and that is exactly what I did. There was no attack on Robert or his character (didn’t call him any bad adjectives) - just asked him to consider Trump faults which are at least as bad as Biden’s or Schumer’s bad speech.

Every bullet point I made about Trump should have been recognized by the “interlocutors”; so I did not take the time to find a link to support each point. But could do so if any one wants to challenge them.
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Re: Biden tells autoworker he’s full of ****

Postby Haruo » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:37 pm

Robert has previously made it clear that he is not an apologist for Trump, did not vote for him, etc. But he left more because he sees the discussions here as pointless than because they are pointed. He has better things to do with his time and has gone off to do them. So to speak. I don't think anybody here attacked him, nor that he felt they did. But he did feel that some, perhaps most, of us here see Trump's failings as an appropriate excuse for not criticizing our own favorites. And I can see how he might feel that way.
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