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What about Bloomberg?

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:56 pm

What do you guys think about Mike Bloomberg? It is my understanding that Bloomberg is qualified and will be in the debate Wednesday night. Also sounded to me like the DNC tweaked the rules to get him in. Is that right?
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Sandy » Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:04 am

Poll numbers and money raised have been pretty much standard qualifications for the Democratic debates. Bloomberg has qualified on both counts now.

I don't like the idea of someone with billions using their wealth to finance a campaign that is, in essence, "buying" the office. Even if I'm ideologically and politically agreeable with the candidate, I'm in favor of limiting every candidate for every office to a specific, equal budget that is small enough to require them to figure out how to get their message to their voters without relying on money.

That being said, given that the rules that allow massive self-funding and bypassing of campaign finance through the PAC's and committees, Bloomberg's doing nothing wrong. If Trump gets buried in a cataract of negative blasts like Mike is running now in all 50 states, so be it. If enough Republican senators get buried by the billions Bloomberg, Steyer, Buffett and a couple of others are giving to the DNC for the Senate campaign, maybe they won't be so supportive of Citizens United and inclined to help change the laws.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Rvaughn » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:50 pm

Rvaughn wrote:...sounded to me like the DNC tweaked the rules to get him in...
According to Vox:
Democratic National Committee (DNC) rules were amended in late January to state a candidate must reach 10 percent in four qualifying national polls, 12 percent in two Nevada or South Carolina polls, or have won a delegate in Iowa or New Hampshire in order to be invited to the Nevada debate. At the time, Bloomberg’s rivals criticized the DNC, arguing the rules change unfairly benefited him, as debate invitations previously required achieving a certain number of individual campaign donations, something Bloomberg lacked given he is self-funding his campaign.

Despite this criticism, the new rules remained in place, and with the NPR poll, Bloomberg now has his fourth qualifying national poll registering him at above 10 percent support, securing his spot on the stage.
The debate tonight should be interesting with Bloomberg. He has soared with money and ads, but how will he hold up on the big stage? Some have even suggested he might not have really wanted on stage until after Super Tuesday. Will he have appeal or come off flat? If he flops, will it help Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Biden?
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Rvaughn » Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:29 pm

The knives were out for Michael Bloomberg as he joined his fellow candidates on the Democratic debate stage Wednesday in Las Vegas.

And no candidate held back.

“I’d like to talk about who we're running against, a billionaire who calls women ‘fat broads’ and ‘horse-faced lesbians,’ and, no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump, I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg,” said Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass.

“I actually welcomed Mayor Bloomberg to the stage,” said Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn. “I have been told many times to wait my turn and step aside and I’m not going to do that now. … I don’t think you look at Donald Trump and say we need someone richer in the White House.”

Democratic rivals pummel Bloomberg at start of Nevada debate
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Haruo » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:41 am

Bloomberg and Sanders are 156 years old. VP is more important than usual under such circumstances.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Sandy » Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:57 am

Haruo wrote:Bloomberg and Sanders are 156 years old. VP is more important than usual under such circumstances.


Yes it will be very important.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Dave Roberts » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:02 am

Haruo wrote:Bloomberg and Sanders are 156 years old. VP is more important than usual under such circumstances.


I am in my 70's, and the last thing I would want is to put forth the effort to run for national office in this country. I want to see someone begin to trust the generation in their 40's, 50's, and 60's to hold office. It bothers me that Bloomberg, Sanders, and Trump are all my age. We seem to be trying to hold on like some pastors have done in churches and almost destroyed them in the process. Why not give younger people a chance?
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Tim Bonney » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:28 am

After last night I think Bloomberg is toast. The rest of the field made him sound like Trump with a Democratic Party member card. I mean, what is this about women having signed NDAs?

It is always dangerous to predict. But I'm predicting it will either be Bernie or Mayor Pete as the nominee before this is all over. The interesting picks will be VP running mates, particularly if Sanders is the choice in case he doesn't survive his first term.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Sandy » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:14 pm

I am still not sure whether Bloomberg is in it to win or whether he just wants to have a way to spend his money on anti-Trump advertising to make sure he doesn't get elected. His ads are running everywhere, he's not on the Nevada ballot and since it is a caucus, won't come away with any voters or delegates there. He's pledged a billion dollars to the DNC which he really wouldn't have to do if he were planning on being the nominee.

The way the DNC has structured itself at this point, it doesn't appear any candidate will have enough delegates to be nominated on the first ballot if it keeps hanging around where it is now. They've eliminated the controversial "super delegate" issue so the first ballot will only be delegates elected in caucuses or primaries. I expect it will be several ballots before they pick a nominee and I think there's a possibility that it might not be someone who's on the stage right now.

Just a slight mention by the media last night that in Iowa and New Hampshire, 15% of the Republican ballots have been for someone other than Trump, mostly Weld. And that's with his campaign spending money to turn out primary voters. It's not that anyone else would really stand a chance, but if the anti-trump vote among Republican voters who are making the effort to show up at the primaries is that high, he's in bigger trouble than he wants to acknowledge.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Haruo » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:15 pm

Tim Bonney wrote:After last night I think Bloomberg is toast. The rest of the field made him sound like Trump with a Democratic Party member card. I mean, what is this about women having signed NDAs?

It is always dangerous to predict. But I'm predicting it will either be Bernie or Mayor Pete as the nominee before this is all over. The interesting picks will be VP running mates, particularly if Sanders is the choice in case he doesn't survive his first term.

If last night had been closer to Super Tuesday, I might agree with you. And you may be right. But I think we have to see how Bloomberg fares in the states (including Washington) where he's been concentrating his efforts, and where voters may by then have forgotten how lackluster he looked on that stage. (There's at least one more debate coming in the meantime, too.) Pete and Amy have both fallen back a bit in the polls, and didn't do as well in this debate as in the NH one, whereas Elizabeth Warren is widely reported to have "won”. So we need to see where she goes from here. Super Tuesday will, I imagine, be the clincher, especially if Sanders takes most of the states, as the polls seemed to be predicting as of yesterday. Though there's always heart disease.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Haruo » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:22 pm

Sandy wrote:Just a slight mention by the media last night that in Iowa and New Hampshire, 15% of the Republican ballots have been for someone other than Trump, mostly Weld. And that's with his campaign spending money to turn out primary voters. It's not that anyone else would really stand a chance, but if the anti-trump vote among Republican voters who are making the effort to show up at the primaries is that high, he's in bigger trouble than he wants to acknowledge.

Here in Washington, we blue voters have a dozen choices on our primary ballot, but our Red friends and neighbors have only Trump. My guess is if Romney had been on the ballot in IA, he would have got most of Weld's votes and then some.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Tim Bonney » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:40 pm

Haruo wrote:Here in Washington, we blue voters have a dozen choices on our primary ballot, but our Red friends and neighbors have only Trump. My guess is if Romney had been on the ballot in IA, he would have got most of Weld's votes and then some.


I do not know how the GOP organizes their caucus. So but it would not surprise me if we would have some Romney supporters.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Sandy » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:59 pm

The targeted advertising may get Bloomberg some support, but I don't think it will be enough to win him the nomination. Sanders has pulled ahead because he already had a network in place, was quite popular when he ran in 2016, hasn't changed his message and is pulling in quite a haul of cash and packing out arenas at rallies that are larger and louder than Trump's. His contributors are small donors, so raising that kind of cash means lots of active voters. It's conceivable that Super Tuesday would put him in the top spot to stay. There's a limit to the support that buying lots of advertising produces. Bloomberg will eventually have to start making public appearances and be subjected to the scrutiny of debates and questions from the media. He can outspend Bernie, but after a point, the effectiveness turns south. The smartest thing Bernie did in putting his money to work was follow the lines of the Obama turnout machine. When I went to Wisconsin to volunteer in the voter registration effort, his staffers were everywhere. We heard he's got headquarters in every county.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Tim Bonney » Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:44 pm

Sandy wrote:The targeted advertising may get Bloomberg some support, but I don't think it will be enough to win him the nomination. Sanders has pulled ahead because he already had a network in place, was quite popular when he ran in 2016, hasn't changed his message and is pulling in quite a haul of cash and packing out arenas at rallies that are larger and louder than Trump's.


Steyers ran ad after ad in Iowa and ultimately it didn't do him much good. I don't think ads alone are going to get it for Bloomberg. I've yet to be convinced to vote for anyone based on an ad.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Sandy » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:57 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:.I do not know how the GOP organizes their caucus. So but it would not surprise me if we would have some Romney supporters.


Interesting that here, you and Haruo mention Romney today. I saw several social media posts earlier from a couple of high school classmates which hint at Romney teaming up with Mike Bloomberg to run independently. Apparently, there was a meme floating around after Romney's vote to remove Trump from office that matched him up with Evan McMillan as an independent. Interesting thought.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Tim Bonney » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:08 pm

Sandy wrote:
Interesting that here, you and Haruo mention Romney today. I saw several social media posts earlier from a couple of high school classmates which hint at Romney teaming up with Mike Bloomberg to run independently. Apparently, there was a meme floating around after Romney's vote to remove Trump from office that matched him up with Evan McMillan as an independent. Interesting thought.
https://thebulwark.com/romney-bloomberg ... -deserves/


Sounds like a fantasy. I can't see it happening.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Haruo » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:52 am

In any case, I think the two-party system we all grew up with is over and done with.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Tim Bonney » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:47 am

Haruo wrote:In any case, I think the two-party system we all grew up with is over and done with.


I have to agree. And it was over and done with, in part, when the GOP let someone who was not a Republican run as a Republican and the DNC let someone who was not a Democrat run as a Democrat. I am not even blaming Trump or Sanders for that. But when both parties allowed this they basically declared that what the parties stood for no longer matters. The candidates do not even have to be in the party or subscribe to the party platform to run.

The purpose of a party is for like minded people to organize together. We do not even have that any more. The Dems are so divided that we may have a brokered convention. The GOP is so afraid of losing power and party unity that they support a leader like Trump to stay in power.

I do not know what we need fix the mess we are in.
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby KeithE » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:44 pm

Haruo wrote:In any case, I think the two-party system we all grew up with is over and done with.

I wish that were true. Won’t be "done with” for at least several more Presidential Elections.

If by “done with”, you mean both the DNC and RNC are increasingly corrupt, you may be right.

There does not appear to be a serious 3rd Party candidate (yet) unlike previous years.

Minor parties and Independent Candidates for 2020. None appear to have made the ballots in many states (14 states for the Constitutional Party is max the have been announced; Green Party is only announced to be in 7 states)
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Re: What about Bloomberg?

Postby Tim Bonney » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:13 pm

KeithE wrote:If by “done with”, you mean both the DNC and RNC are increasingly corrupt, you may be right.

There does not appear to be a serious 3rd Party candidate (yet) unlike previous years.


I think that's what I took it to mean. It isn't that the two parties are going away. Right now though it is the DNC that is standing for civil rights and equality as flawed as the party is. So, if I have to pick one of the two groups I'm still going to have to go with the Democrats.

The marriage of far right evangelicals with the GOP has led to an horrible hybrid of self-righteous behavior with no actual indication of righteousness. It turns my stomach every time Franklin Graham or the pastor of 1st Baptist Dallas sucks up to DJT, or worse declares him God's choice for the White House.

Until a viable 3rd party comes along we are stuck with what we have. I don't know what it would take for their to be a viable 3rd party candidate.
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