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William Thornton wrote:Let's see...Dave introduces a 40 year old argument which is received as cogent and insightful by my mod lib/Trumphating hair-on-fire friends. Jim and I harken back a mere 20 years to disdain and ridicule.

Guess I need to overnight an extra supply of adult coloring books (stress relievers, not psycho treatment). Maybe Medicare covers it. Get try a few myself.

Why don't you guys have your own ihatetrump forum? Make it private. Have fun. Make some new friends. Congratulate each other for your wisdom and insight.

Jim wrote:

KeithE wrote: ...it is clear that Trump does not agree with the sentiment on the Statue of Liberty at a major entry point for immigrants:
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

This indicates the self-righteousness and superciliousness exhibited by people who either don't understand the difference in the U.S, between the 1830-1920 era and the current era or just don't care for anything but propagandizing like the empty suits at MSNBC's Morning Joe crowd. Maybe it gives a goose-bumpy warm-hugs feeling that lesser folks lack – that sensitivity thing. People of like circumstances, no matter their places of origin, came in the former era to be free and work. They were desperately needed to make the nation what it is, a place where their progeny flourishes. They learned the language, broke their backs and were given no handouts. On Sunday morning, Chris Wallace (Fox) asked the secretary of Homeland Security if the president would rather an emigre be a janitor from Norway or a doctor from Haiti. She was too kind to point out the sheer stupidity of the question as well as the obvious answer, namely, whether a need existed for either. NBC's Chuck Todd asked Andrew Young about the race-thing (Trump being the leverage) and Young, an educated black fired from his UN ambassadorship by Jimmy Carter, tried to explain just what I've noted...times have changed. The U.S was not the dumping-ground of the unneeded in the former era and certainly is not that now. Todd even asked Young if Trump is a Christian and Young was too kind to indicate Todd's jackass-mentality at the most profound level.

Joseph Patrick wrote:Joseph Patrick...aka Gerry Milligan
I want to thank both William and Jim for reading and commenting on this thread, even though they insisted on talking about 20 and 40 year old events. Not sure how those attempts to get the focus off of a garbage mouthed, lying, adulterous and obfuscating commander in chief and his sycophant at FBC Dallas relate to this thread...but keep trying. Myself, I wonder what the good folks at FBC Dallas think.

Jon Estes wrote:

Joseph Patrick wrote:Joseph Patrick...aka Gerry Milligan
I want to thank both William and Jim for reading and commenting on this thread, even though they insisted on talking about 20 and 40 year old events. Not sure how those attempts to get the focus off of a garbage mouthed, lying, adulterous and obfuscating commander in chief and his sycophant at FBC Dallas relate to this thread...but keep trying. Myself, I wonder what the good folks at FBC Dallas think.

Gerry - At which sin do we draw the line in saying that a Pastor needs to distance himself from such a President?

You give a heavy list and I am not saying he is innocent or guilty but how many sins do there need to be before Pastor needs to stay away?

I'm ok with coming up with a number of sins or kind of sins to make your point but then I have to ask... Who gets to draw the line, build the wall?

Jon Estes wrote:

Joseph Patrick wrote:Joseph Patrick...aka Gerry Milligan
I want to thank both William and Jim for reading and commenting on this thread, even though they insisted on talking about 20 and 40 year old events. Not sure how those attempts to get the focus off of a garbage mouthed, lying, adulterous and obfuscating commander in chief and his sycophant at FBC Dallas relate to this thread...but keep trying. Myself, I wonder what the good folks at FBC Dallas think.

Gerry - At which sin do we draw the line in saying that a Pastor needs to distance himself from such a President?

You give a heavy list and I am not saying he is innocent or guilty but how many sins do there need to be before Pastor needs to stay away?

I'm ok with coming up with a number of sins or kind of sins to make your point but then I have to ask... Who gets to draw the line, build the wall?

Sandy wrote:

Jim wrote:

KeithE wrote: ...it is clear that Trump does not agree with the sentiment on the Statue of Liberty at a major entry point for immigrants:
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

This indicates the self-righteousness and superciliousness exhibited by people who either don't understand the difference in the U.S, between the 1830-1920 era and the current era or just don't care for anything but propagandizing like the empty suits at MSNBC's Morning Joe crowd. Maybe it gives a goose-bumpy warm-hugs feeling that lesser folks lack – that sensitivity thing. People of like circumstances, no matter their places of origin, came in the former era to be free and work. They were desperately needed to make the nation what it is, a place where their progeny flourishes. They learned the language, broke their backs and were given no handouts. On Sunday morning, Chris Wallace (Fox) asked the secretary of Homeland Security if the president would rather an emigre be a janitor from Norway or a doctor from Haiti. She was too kind to point out the sheer stupidity of the question as well as the obvious answer, namely, whether a need existed for either. NBC's Chuck Todd asked Andrew Young about the race-thing (Trump being the leverage) and Young, an educated black fired from his UN ambassadorship by Jimmy Carter, tried to explain just what I've noted...times have changed. The U.S was not the dumping-ground of the unneeded in the former era and certainly is not that now. Todd even asked Young if Trump is a Christian and Young was too kind to indicate Todd's jackass-mentality at the most profound level.

There are political philosophies which hold the perspective that a country's immigration policy should be driven by the country's need for the people who want to come. Historically, these philosophies have generally played themselves out when one country occupies another, and then goes through a selection process to separate the "needed" from the "useless." The basic philosophy belonged to Karl Marx. The more intense version had its origins in a philosophy developed by a Frenchman, Georges Sorel, and found its most intense expression in neighboring Italy, in the form of Mussolini's Fascist state. The other philosophy that depended on the view was developed by Karl Mark.

Joseph Patrick wrote:

Jon Estes wrote:

Joseph Patrick wrote:Joseph Patrick...aka Gerry Milligan
I want to thank both William and Jim for reading and commenting on this thread, even though they insisted on talking about 20 and 40 year old events. Not sure how those attempts to get the focus off of a garbage mouthed, lying, adulterous and obfuscating commander in chief and his sycophant at FBC Dallas relate to this thread...but keep trying. Myself, I wonder what the good folks at FBC Dallas think.

Gerry - At which sin do we draw the line in saying that a Pastor needs to distance himself from such a President?

You give a heavy list and I am not saying he is innocent or guilty but how many sins do there need to be before Pastor needs to stay away?

I'm ok with coming up with a number of sins or kind of sins to make your point but then I have to ask... Who gets to draw the line, build the wall?

Jon, I see more than one area which would keep me from identifying with someone. Scriptural Prov.4:24 and Eph.4:29. A second area is cultural, i.e. is this behavior/speech accepted in normal society. A third is pastoral what would be your churches reaction if you used the words in a sermon?

This does not negate a witness toward the offender, but not supporting their behavior/speech.

Jim wrote:Perfect examples: Germany, France, England. The Caucasian population in decrease, thus lack of resource-persons to pay pensions, for schools, etc. VOILA!!! Invite Muslims, over a million in Germany alone in just the last year or so. As Muslims breed like rabbits and white folks less and less, the Muslims take over and weed-out the whites they don't butcher or make pay exorbitant taxes, according to the Koran, with Christians and Jews always looking to the rear. Have you had an attack of Truth or did you just sit and capture it? In 1940 or so, the French didn't exactly invite the Germans to take residence, along with taking the country, but the French also didn't try to discourage the Germans, so would Karl MarK have appreciated them? Lenin certainly would have and Hitler believed it so much that he did a “show-and-tell.”

William Thornton wrote:I think Sandy's talking about Bill Clinton.

William Thornton wrote:Actually, it's not difficult to compare Clinton and trump.

William Thornton wrote:Fire extinguisher needed?

Sandy wrote:

Jim wrote:Perfect examples: Germany, France, England. The Caucasian population in decrease, thus lack of resource-persons to pay pensions, for schools, etc. VOILA!!! Invite Muslims, over a million in Germany alone in just the last year or so. As Muslims breed like rabbits and white folks less and less, the Muslims take over and weed-out the whites they don't butcher or make pay exorbitant taxes, according to the Koran, with Christians and Jews always looking to the rear. Have you had an attack of Truth or did you just sit and capture it? In 1940 or so, the French didn't exactly invite the Germans to take residence, along with taking the country, but the French also didn't try to discourage the Germans, so would Karl MarK have appreciated them? Lenin certainly would have and Hitler believed it so much that he did a “show-and-tell.”

So, you are saying that Lenin and Hitler were justified in selecting, and exterminating the "useless" populations of the countries they occupied?

Of course! Wouldn't you? The Italian soldiers when they quit the war in 1943, instead of turning on the Germans, laid down their arms and were trucked off to concentration camps and German munitions factories, thereby leaving their families to Hitler's goons. Doesn't that seem perfectly reasonable to you?

So according to your view, if people aren't providing resources for pensions and schools, then rounding them up, putting them in concentration camps and exterminating them is the solution to the problem.
Actually, I think it would be better to just tax them heavily and put them on 75-hour work-weeks. Exterminating them would destroy the labor windfall, but to each his own. Maybe you have a better idea.

While I do see that there are Muslims who have become engaged in the culture of Germany, England and France, among other countries, I don't see anything like you describe developing anywhere. There's no "weeding out" of the whites.
Oh come now! They do shoot up theaters and arenas occasionally, which seems perfectly reasonable and also helps out in the weeding process. Just blowing up subways and buses makes a magnificent statement about a superior culture -- Sharia Law.

They participate in the economy, pay taxes, operate businesses and provide labor just like anyone else does. They serve in the military, in relatively high numbers in Britain and France, and have for quite some time through colonial service. Given the number of Muslims who have been butchered, on their own territory, by French, British and German soldiers through the past several centuries, there's not anything even close to that happening in Europe.
Ah...but they don't do enough. If infidels aren't made to scream at least twice a day, some Muslim is not doing his duty. And, more to the point, Muslims kill millions more MUSLIMS then mere infidels, so give them some credit for taking care of their own. French, British, and German soldiers will just have to work harder. They simply have lain down on the job and have through the past several centuries. Wouldn't you agree?

People are people, and race doesn't matter.

Dave Roberts wrote:Do you need to be extinguished? Might refer to you in the future as "that extinguished gentleman."

Dave Roberts wrote:

William Thornton wrote:Fire extinguisher needed?

Do you need to be extinguished? Might refer to you in the future as "that extinguished gentleman."

Jim wrote:I didn't know people are people.

Sandy wrote:

Jim wrote:I didn't know people are people.

Obviously. And you also don't know that race doesn't matter.