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The Galveston one... Harvey warn't nothing to be all het up about. I remember that Storm we had back in aught aught in Galveston. Now there were a Storm! 117 years ago and I can see it like it was yesterday. Must be the onset of my second greatgrandchildhood... https://youtu.be/qsdfGS7S4wc
David Flick wrote:
KeithE wrote:Nonsense my foot. First note David's article has a cartoon and has no data.True, my article had no data, but it needed no data to prove my point. The point I made was that climate change alarmists were jumping to the nonsensical conclusion that Harvey was caused or influenced by climate change hours before the huricane even hit the shore.
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And your article claims there has been a “flood” of “alarmist” media articles suggesting global warming is to blame for Harvey. Well your article only gave two examples - the ThinkProgress/Climate Progress article and a San Antonio News article (not exactly a flood!). And reading those articles, they are hardly “alarmist” - both thought Harvey would be a Cat 3 while it actually was a Cat 4 as it landed. I’d say your article is the one that is exaggerated.
I'd say your conclusion that my article was greatly exaggerated is false. After quick search, I located 23 articles which delineated that Harvey was caused or influenced by climate change. I have no illusion that you will read each article, but the media is indeed flooded with such articles.There are many more articles which attempt to tie climate change to Harvey. It has been only a little more than 24 hours since the hurricane came ashore. There will no doubt be many, many more attempts by the alarmists to blame climate change for causing or strengthening Harvey.
- What does Hurricane Harvey say about climate change?
- Did climate change make Hurricane Harvey worse?
- Is Hurricane Harvey Related to Climate Change? Scientists Have a Better Answer
- Our Many Fears of Hurricane Harvey
- Hurricane Harvey: Texas braces for 'significant disaster' as storm intensifies
- Hurricane Harvey's deadliest threat is just beginning
- Neil deGrasse Tyson uses Harvey to take jab at climate change deniers
- And Here We Go: CNN Host Wonders If Hurricane Harvey's Rainfall Totals Are Due to Climate Change
- What you can and can’t say about climate change and Hurricane Harvey
- Hurricane Harvey 2017
- Hurricane Harvey will bring some of the heaviest downpours anyone has ever seen
- Could Hurricane Harvey Damage Spur Climate Change Action in TX ?
- The Relationship Between Hurricanes and Climate Change
- Hurricane Harvey is hitting Texas even harder than expected. Here's what you need to know.
- Climate Change Advocates Use ‘Harvey’ to Tout Global Warming
- Climate Change Makes Storms like Harvey More Severe
- Did global warming cause Hurricane Harvey?
- CNN anchor tries to tie Hurricane Harvey to climate change — then scientist shuts him down
- Surprise: Hurricane Harvey Blamed On ‘Climate Change’
- Climate Change Advocates Use ‘Harvey’ to Tout Global Warming,
- Harvey, Amplified by Climate Change, Threatens Texas
- Leftist Climate Change Advocates Use Hurricane ‘Harvey’ to Push Political Agenda
- Harvey and 'climate change'
The climate change alarmists have no sense of the history of Texas hurricanes. Their notion that non existing global warming could suddenly arise in the past decade or so to have influence on Harvey without considering that the number of hurricanes to hit Texas since the 1850 is at least 64. (Source...) The Galveston Hurricane of 1900 was the deadliest natural disaster in American history. That horrific hurricane slammed into the city with wind speeds that surpassed 135 miles per hour, making it a category 4 on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale. Storm surges rose 15 feet and, within hours, estimates of 6,000 to 12,000 unwary people were killed and over 3,600 buildings were destroyed. The Galveston Hurricane remains the deadliest natural disaster in United States history. (Source...) Are you trying to join the rest of the modern day climate change alarmists in thinking that so-called global warming is drumming up a disaster that exceeds a hurricane that occurred 117 years ago? Do you somehow think that Harvey is going to even approach the level and strength of that hurricane. Pray tell what caused the Galveston hurricane to be so strong and deadly? Was it global warming?? Nonsense. Baloney cheese. Those who are trying to convince us that global warming is the cause or the major influencing factor in making Harvey stronger are off their rockers. They are crazy. But I guess you couldn't expect less from those people...
Glad to hear, David, you were not vacationing on San Padre Island- I seem to remember it was a favorite spot of yours.Padre Island was indeed a favorite spot for me. I went there on four successive years (2001, 02, 03 & 04). I camped at basically the same spot about 20 miles down the island from the visitor's center. The Visitor's center is about 15 miles down the island from South Padre Island village. Here are four photos: The first year I didn't have a tent. Second year i did have a tent. Third & fourth year, the same tent. The highlight of each trip was getting to visit and fellowship with Ralph Storm. Sure miss that man.
I wonder what is going on out there today. No doubt the whole Island is torn asunder.
David Flick wrote:David Flick wrote:
KeithE wrote:Nonsense my foot. First note David's article has a cartoon and has no data.True, my article had no data, but it needed no data to prove my point. The point I made was that climate change alarmists were jumping to the nonsensical conclusion that Harvey was caused or influenced by climate change hours before the huricane even hit the shore.
. . . . . . . . .[...]
And your article claims there has been a “flood” of “alarmist” media articles suggesting global warming is to blame for Harvey. Well your article only gave two examples - the ThinkProgress/Climate Progress article and a San Antonio News article (not exactly a flood!). And reading those articles, they are hardly “alarmist” - both thought Harvey would be a Cat 3 while it actually was a Cat 4 as it landed. I’d say your article is the one that is exaggerated.
I'd say your conclusion that my article was greatly exaggerated is false. After quick search, I located 23 articles which delineated that Harvey was caused or influenced by climate change. I have no illusion that you will read each article, but the media is indeed flooded with such articles.There are many more articles which attempt to tie climate change to Harvey. It has been only a little more than 24 hours since the hurricane came ashore. There will no doubt be many, many more attempts by the alarmists to blame climate change for causing or strengthening Harvey.
- What does Hurricane Harvey say about climate change?
- Did climate change make Hurricane Harvey worse?
- Is Hurricane Harvey Related to Climate Change? Scientists Have a Better Answer
- Our Many Fears of Hurricane Harvey
- Hurricane Harvey: Texas braces for 'significant disaster' as storm intensifies
- Hurricane Harvey's deadliest threat is just beginning
- Neil deGrasse Tyson uses Harvey to take jab at climate change deniers
- And Here We Go: CNN Host Wonders If Hurricane Harvey's Rainfall Totals Are Due to Climate Change
- What you can and can’t say about climate change and Hurricane Harvey
- Hurricane Harvey 2017
- Hurricane Harvey will bring some of the heaviest downpours anyone has ever seen
- Could Hurricane Harvey Damage Spur Climate Change Action in TX ?
- The Relationship Between Hurricanes and Climate Change
- Hurricane Harvey is hitting Texas even harder than expected. Here's what you need to know.
- Climate Change Advocates Use ‘Harvey’ to Tout Global Warming
- Climate Change Makes Storms like Harvey More Severe
- Did global warming cause Hurricane Harvey?
- CNN anchor tries to tie Hurricane Harvey to climate change — then scientist shuts him down
- Surprise: Hurricane Harvey Blamed On ‘Climate Change’
- Climate Change Advocates Use ‘Harvey’ to Tout Global Warming,
- Harvey, Amplified by Climate Change, Threatens Texas
- Leftist Climate Change Advocates Use Hurricane ‘Harvey’ to Push Political Agenda
- Harvey and 'climate change'
The climate change alarmists have no sense of the history of Texas hurricanes. Their notion that non existing global warming could suddenly arise in the past decade or so to have influence on Harvey without considering that the number of hurricanes to hit Texas since the 1850 is at least 64. (Source...) The Galveston Hurricane of 1900 was the deadliest natural disaster in American history. That horrific hurricane slammed into the city with wind speeds that surpassed 135 miles per hour, making it a category 4 on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale. Storm surges rose 15 feet and, within hours, estimates of 6,000 to 12,000 unwary people were killed and over 3,600 buildings were destroyed. The Galveston Hurricane remains the deadliest natural disaster in United States history. (Source...) Are you trying to join the rest of the modern day climate change alarmists in thinking that so-called global warming is drumming up a disaster that exceeds a hurricane that occurred 117 years ago? Do you somehow think that Harvey is going to even approach the level and strength of that hurricane. Pray tell what caused the Galveston hurricane to be so strong and deadly? Was it global warming?? Nonsense. Baloney cheese. Those who are trying to convince us that global warming is the cause or the major influencing factor in making Harvey stronger are off their rockers. They are crazy. But I guess you couldn't expect less from those people...
Glad to hear, David, you were not vacationing on San Padre Island- I seem to remember it was a favorite spot of yours.Padre Island was indeed a favorite spot for me. I went there on four successive years (2001, 02, 03 & 04). I camped at basically the same spot about 20 miles down the island from the visitor's center. The Visitor's center is about 15 miles down the island from South Padre Island village. Here are four photos: The first year I didn't have a tent. Second year i did have a tent. Third & fourth year, the same tent. The highlight of each trip was getting to visit and fellowship with Ralph Storm. Sure miss that man.
I wonder what is going on out there today. No doubt the whole Island is torn asunder.
In their intriguing analysis published in the Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, the four-member research team of Rojo-Garibaldi et al. developed a new database of historical hurricane occurrences in the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean Sea, spanning twenty-six decades over the period 1749 to 2012.
Statistical analysis of the record revealed “the hurricane number is actually decreasing in time,” which finding is quite stunning considering that it is quite possible fewer hurricanes were recorded at the beginning of their record when data acquisition was considerably worse than towards the end of the record.
KeithE wrote:As for Galveston, Harvey (also a Cat 4) will not be nearly as catastrophic because of better building today (e.g. strict, regulated building codes, no Galveston sea wall) and the landfall of Harvey is a less urban setting. No one is saying Harvey will be as bad, but that has not stopped David from hoping someone will (and lambasting them, Don Quixote comes to mind). But Harvey has been “catastrophic” to those affected.
"A sociology professor at the University of Tampa published a tweet on Sunday afternoon suggesting that Texas residents deserve the death, destruction and suffering caused by Hurricane Harvey because a majority of Texas voters supported Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election."
David Flick wrote:KeithE wrote:As for Galveston, Harvey (also a Cat 4) will not be nearly as catastrophic because of better building today (e.g. strict, regulated building codes, no Galveston sea wall) and the landfall of Harvey is a less urban setting. No one is saying Harvey will be as bad, but that has not stopped David from hoping someone will (and lambasting them, Don Quixote comes to mind). But Harvey has been “catastrophic” to those affected.
Rvaughn wrote:Leaving the climate argument for a bit..."A sociology professor at the University of Tampa published a tweet on Sunday afternoon suggesting that Texas residents deserve the death, destruction and suffering caused by Hurricane Harvey because a majority of Texas voters supported Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election."
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/29/profe ... for-trump/
Professor: Texans ‘Deserve’ Harvey Because They Voted For Trump
Professor Storey perhaps failed to notice that "Lake" Harris County, where Houston is, went 54% for Hillary Clinton (as you might expect all the larger cities of Texas would). On the other hand, Potter County, which went 68% for Trump, is high and dry. Maybe he's praying they get a tornado or something.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/09/see-which-counties-texas-trump-and-clinton-won/
“I don’t believe in instant Karma but this kinda feels like it for Texas. Hopefully this will help them realize the GOP doesn’t care about them,” Storey wrote in one tweet.
When another Twitter user responded that Texas is home to “good people” and that Storey “may want to rethink” the tweet, Storey doubled down.
“Well, the good people there need to do more to stop the evil their state pushes. I’m only blaming those who support the GOP there,” Storey wrote.
A sociology professor at the University of Tampa published a tweet on Sunday afternoon suggesting that Texas residents deserve the death, destruction and suffering caused by Hurricane Harvey because a majority of Texas voters supported Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election.
Haruo wrote:Well, I don't see an apology in what Keith quoted, but I also see a great deal of exagerration of what Storey said in what the Daily Caller rephrased it as. It would be nice if people would be nice. I agree that the comment was insensitive and the theology badly flawed.
"I deeply regret a statement I posted yesterday. I never meant to wish ill will upon any group. I hope all affected by Harvey recover quickly"
No doubt, though not something The Daily Caller has a copyright on. Bogus headlines and dramatic lead-ins seem pretty much staple for internet news (not saying it is a good thing, just a thing). But it appears that the bulk of the article probably got most things close to right.KeithE wrote:But the linked article clearly exaggerated when it said in the lead-in paragraph:
Yea, that is a pretty nice resource. It is, of course, not surprising to those familiar with Texas politics, but may be unexpected for those who are not. Our capital city, Austin, is often dubbed "the most liberal city in Texas."KeithE wrote:That was an interesting county vote map, Rvaughn. Largest cities went for Hillary.
Rvaughn wrote:Yea, that is a pretty nice resource. It is, of course, not surprising to those familiar with Texas politics, but may be unexpected for those who are not. Our capital city, Austin, is often dubbed "the most liberal city in Texas."KeithE wrote:That was an interesting county vote map, Rvaughn. Largest cities went for Hillary.
Haruo wrote:The professor apparently got fired over his remark. I think that's overreaction on the University's part, though I think some form of censure would have been appropriate. And if the folks who fired him are also ones who supported Trump's "end to political correctness" stuff, then it's doubly ironic.
Yes, I noticed that the link to his page at the universtiy web site didn't work yesterday. Censure is appropriate, since the comment was quite public and very "out there" (and on the other hand, he did apologize).Haruo wrote:The professor apparently got fired over his remark. I think that's overreaction on the University's part, though I think some form of censure would have been appropriate. And if the folks who fired him are also ones who supported Trump's "end to political correctness" stuff, then it's doubly ironic.
Authorities found a shivering toddler clinging to the body of her drowned mother in a rain-swollen canal in Southeast Texas after the woman tried to carry her child to safety from Harvey's floods.
Rvaughn wrote:Harvey horror: Shivering tot found clinging to drowned mom
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/harvey-horror-shivering-tot-found-clinging-drowned-mom-063308807.htmlAuthorities found a shivering toddler clinging to the body of her drowned mother in a rain-swollen canal in Southeast Texas after the woman tried to carry her child to safety from Harvey's floods.
Rvaughn wrote:Yes, I noticed that the link to his page at the universtiy web site didn't work yesterday. Censure is appropriate, since the comment was quite public and very "out there" (and on the other hand, he did apologize).Haruo wrote:The professor apparently got fired over his remark. I think that's overreaction on the University's part, though I think some form of censure would have been appropriate. And if the folks who fired him are also ones who supported Trump's "end to political correctness" stuff, then it's doubly ironic.
But, if we all got fired for saying stupid stuff on the heat of the moment, lots of folks would be out of jobs.
Rvaughn wrote:Leaving the climate argument for a bit..."A sociology professor at the University of Tampa published a tweet on Sunday afternoon suggesting that Texas residents deserve the death, destruction and suffering caused by Hurricane Harvey because a majority of Texas voters supported Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election."
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/29/profe ... for-trump/
Professor: Texans ‘Deserve’ Harvey Because They Voted For Trump
Professor Storey perhaps failed to notice that "Lake" Harris County, where Houston is, went 54% for Hillary Clinton (as you might expect all the larger cities of Texas would). On the other hand, Potter County, which went 68% for Trump, is high and dry. Maybe he's praying they get a tornado or something.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/09/see-which-counties-texas-trump-and-clinton-won/
KeithE wrote:What do ya’ll make of this story.
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