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Mohler, Furman and Slavery

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:43 pm
by Stephen Fox
I have posted this link on SBTS Facebook wall.

Talk about a story with legs

Re: Mohler, Furman and Slavery

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:04 pm
by William Thornton
Well, I suppose the SBTS crowd will have to endure whatever withering take you had on it, Stephen. Hope they survive.

Re: Mohler, Furman and Slavery

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:42 pm
by Rvaughn

Re: Mohler, Furman and Slavery

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:25 pm
by Sandy
Al Mohler in his letter in the Report wrote: We have been guilty of a sinful absence of historical curiosity. We knew, and we could not fail to know, that slavery and deep racism were in the story. We comforted ourselves that we could know this, but since these events were so far behind us, we could move on without awkward and embarrassing investigations and conversations. In the larger secular world, just about every major institution of American public life is being called to account for some aspect of its history. This cultural conversation, often confused and intense, is far from over. I also believe that no secular worldview can bear the weight of this reckoning. Thanks be to God, we hold to a theology grounded in Holy Scripture that is able to bear this weight. We know that evil is not merely moral wrong; it is sin, a falling short of the glory of God and the breaking of God’s commandment. We understand the wrong of American slavery and segregation to be sin, a rebellion against God’s creation of human beings equally in his image.

And that's exactly why we can't just say that this was in the past, it's over, long ago, things have changed let's just move on. Slavery was, in my opinion, the worst evil that existed in American history. The Southern Baptist Convention was birthed as a direct result of a good, old fashioned Baptist church split based on differing opinions about whether it was right or wrong and it was the Southern Baptists, who now declare their belief in the inerrancy and infallibility of scripture, who took the wrong path and twisted the scripture to justify the wrong doctrine. A few scattered resolutions made at various convention meetings, mostly watered down with rhetoric that downplays the significance of the issue, is not enough to give legitimacy to the denomination when it comes to dealing with its past. It must face those issues and be genuine in acknowledging this part of its history in order for it to be taken seriously when it makes statements that indicate a repentance from its past.

That's also why monuments and statues honoring Confederate leaders must be taken down and its flag removed from all public property. A group of Americans rebelled against the civil government's attempts to right a grievous wrong. Continuing to allow them to be honored with statues and having their flag flying because it "is part of our history" is not an acknowledgement that slavery was wrong or that there's been repentance from the sin.

Amen, Dr. Mohler.

Ansley Quiros intro online

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:36 pm
by Stephen Fox
It soars, Google for God With Us till you turn it up. Quotes Dorothy Sayers "Dogma is the Drama"

Get a copy for your personal library. I will blog soon. My copy is coming in the mail

She made a presentation at Furman last year on Furman personalities in Americus in the mid 60s, Harold Collins, Martin England and Marshall Frady.

Would be grand for her and Mohler to panel in the coming year on the questions I raise in my blog and others.

Re: Mohler, Furman and Slavery

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:45 pm
by Rvaughn
President of the National African American Fellowship of the Southern Baptist Convention, Dr. Marshal L. Ausberry, Sr., Responds to SBTS Report on Slavery & Racism
The history shows that the Seminary as an institution reflected the political and social culture of its time. It is perplexing how otherwise godly men could miss the mark so badly. But, when culture and politics have such an unmerited influence, the reaping is the result of what has been sewn. Southern Seminary is not by herself, many institutions of that era were swimming in the same river of prejudice, racism, and elitism cloaked in the sheets of the idea of manifest destiny.

Fascinating take on how Furman got to this Moment

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:18 am
by Stephen Fox

West Rome's Susan Shaw, Mohler and the Favourite

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:47 pm
by Stephen Fox
Shaw grew up at West Rome with the preaching of Jerry Vines. Ten days ago she had a provocative piece at Baptist Global News about Mohler and the Slavery Reckoning.

I just saw the Oscar nominated Movie The Favourite. I doubt Mohler has it on his Christmas list, but wouldnt be surprised if Shaw is ecstatic about it. Lot of classical piano music, especially long piece at the end I'm not sure what to make of.

But will leave it to yall to connect the dots. And with a little imagination of the film you can conjure up whatever you want obversely about what Paige Patterson heard outside the door while waiting on Pressler's "massage" on the reported Mission trip.