CBF leader says it's time to revisit ban on hiring gays

[Tim Bonney]

[Gene Scarborough]

You have touched my heart, Tim---------------THANKS!!!!

[Tim Bonney]

[Ed Pettibone]

[Tim Bonney]

Yes Ed that sounds like a quote from Mr. Wesley. But that doesn't answer the underlying issue. All of us are sinners and all of us need to repent of our sins.
The underlying issue is that not everyone believes that homosexual behavior is sinful. And I'd guess that even fewer believe that just being gay, having a homosexual orientation is sinful.

So you know as well as I do that those who don't believe homosexuality is sinful are going to feel the need to repent of something you think is a sin and that they don't.

[Haruo]

When one is convicted of a sin, by all means repent of it. But the best thing, I think, is to have the contrition and the humility to know that we each of us are if not sinning this second at least prone to, and to do the best we can to repent of all our sin, especially the part we're not (yet) convicted of.

I can't for the life of me fathom how that quotation from Wesley can be applied to justify sending certain sinners down the street because their sin profile doesn't match our denomination as well as another one.

[Tim Bonney]

[Jerry_B]

Ed - I have read both articles. I have to believe more was said then was reported. I would like to know the full context of the comments, I'm sure there was more to the comments that I feel confident would provide some clarity on this issue.

All sinners are welcome at church. If not we would have to close up shop, you know being sinners and all. In welcoming sinners however our church does not believe it is right to affirm what the Bible calls immoral, be it homosexuality, adultery or any of the other sins spoken of in the Bible.

[Gene Scarborough]

The basis of morality has always been the 10 Commandments plus Jesus' "Love the Lord your God and your neighbor as yourself."

I can't see homosexuality in any of this.

It is equally clear that the Jewish outlook was to stone homosexuals as well as those who violated the multitude of eating and cleanliness laws. The Pharisees and Saducees build a "fence around the law" with multiple things like those which had them accusing Jesus and his disciples of harvesting on the Sabbath when the plucked grain walking through a field.

We don't follow kosher rules normally in our religious walk.

What makes us pick out the homosexual stuff as such a focus?

We now deplore Paul's stuff on slaves because that is not compatable with the Constitution of the US. In the past, however, Southern Baptists formed over slavery. Even Thomas Jefferson owned and sired children by his slaves!

I think this pretty much proves we are "selective sinners and judgers of such." The basic translation of harmartia is "separation." If we seperate our society between races / social classes / sex / sexual orientation, I think we qualify as being in a state of separation from God (who created them) and our fellow humans on this planet.

[KeithE]

[Matt Richard]

I've heard a lot of people (both on and off of this board) applaud and defend this announcement because this issue is "not going away" and it "needs to be dealt with." Since when is "dealing" with something synonymous with questioning or affirming it? Since a policy already exists on the subject, has it not been dealt with?

As a Texas Baptist, I'm thankful for our new ED's statement concerning this announcement: http://www.baptiststandard.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=53

This is something Texas Baptists have "dealt with" already, and I think it demonstrates the difference between the CBF and BGCT, in spite of some that would desire to equate the two groups.

[Dave Roberts]

CBF's adopted statement was a response to accusations that CBF was pro-gay which it never was. The reports I have seen do not explain what Colleen meant. I hate to either attack or defend when there is little or no information beyond a statement of a need to revisit the statement, whatever that may mean.

[Ed Pettibone]

[Gene Scarborough]

Good Lord, Ed----your above is about as understandable as a termite in a yo-yo!!!!

[Ed Pettibone]

[Dave Roberts]

I understood Colleen had been busy, but I simply want more information.

[Ed Pettibone]

[Gene Scarborough]

As I read her, it should make you happy, Ed.

I think she is referring to the normal staff employee doing low level work---NOT to any leadership staff or the CEO.

[Gene Scarborough]

[Ed Pettibone]

Ed: So my first question Gene , is do you love Al Mohler. Secondly would you give us a source for the quotes attributed to Al.? Now in fairness let me say I love AL as a human being and wish him no harm but when I look at him as a professed christian and prominent leader if my former denomination as well as being President of the the Seminary of which he and I are both Alum, I can not truthfully say that I like him.

[Gene Scarborough]

We are TOTALLY AGREED, Ed!!!

[Jerry_B]

[Gene Scarborough]

Jerry---

If Jesus didn't like the Pharisees and said harsh things of them in Matthew 23---would you approve of them pastoring mega churches in 2012?

I think that is more worthy than listening to Al Mohler et al be so "righteous" over gays today.

[Jerry_B]

Gene,

Not sure what you mean

[Gene Scarborough]

Just thinkaboudit!!!

No specific words about gays from Jesus / very specific things in Matthew 23 over super rightous religiosity.

Which one does the religious right wish he said / which one do they pretend he didn't say?