Isaiah et al. go negative

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Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby Norm » Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:55 pm

The student SBC reporter (or his editor) writes:

On day two, NBCC speakers go negative, criticize biblical inerrancy, tax cuts, Iraq war

To which I would respond:

1) good.
2) well, it seems SBC, then must be for biblical inerrancy, tax cuts for those with huge incomes, and the war in Iraq.
3) prophets should never sound a negative note?

Can we now expect to read from BP: On this day in history, Amos, God love him (been in the sun too long), had a cow, and Isaiah, God bless the poor man (you know he has these visions), was just downright beside himself. These men needed to get a grip and do better at seeing things from their tradition, especially if they wished to find favor with the people and their leadership.
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby Stephen Fox » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:02 pm

Hey Isaiah, come here and talk to us.

Randall Balmer says Richard Land is a counterfeit Baptist.
What do you make of that, and what do you make of Garry Wills on Rove.

Ben Cole was there in Atlanta according to Cathy.
Love to see his take; and love for you Isaiah, to have a conversation here with Cole about SBC directions.
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby Cathy » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:41 pm

Pt 1 New Baptist Covenant post on SBC Outpost is Ben Cole's partial take on the meeting. I only saw him on Thursday after Al Gore. It sounded from his post that he was there for the whole thing.

I thought his post was quite favorable considering. I think we can assume he will probably have a bit more about his reservations in a a future post.

He did criticize us frumpy middle aged white ladies. Well, probably deserved. I thought my Ralph Lauren sweaters and skirts were appropriate to the occasion and they pack well. Admittedly my Clark Privos aren't heels, but I consider them more sensible than orthopedic.

So maybe next meeting we should have some sessions for the sartorially challenged ladies from CBF. I can hear my mother now saying something like... consider the lilies of the field they toil not neither do they spin. To tell the truth I loved the hats as well and wondered where you buy those hats these days.

If I lose the rest of that extra weight in the Fat Baptist Challenge I might just buy a new wardrobe.

I don't want to start a whole new topic on my impressions so I'll roll around and find a spot to write a note. I am still in Athens Ga and don't have much wifi time as I have to go to the coffee shop and the iphone typing is too torturous for more than a short email. So maybe more later.
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby Big Daddy Weaver » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:10 pm

I saw bow-tie wearing Ben Cole as he was introducing himself to Mrs. Carter. James Dunn gave me a bow-tie when I left the BJC but for the life of me I can't figure out how to tie the dang thing. I saw Dwight McKissic on Wednesday night. It took me a moment for my jet-lagged brain to figure out that it was McKissic. From a distance, the guy looks like TD Jakes and I love me some late night TD Jakes on TBN.

I met Bruce and Brian Kaylor. Although, Brian must think I'm a doofus because it took me about 30 seconds to figure out who he was as he was introducing himself. Spoke with Rob Marus for a hot minute in the press room. And even sat two feet from David & Erin Roach of Baptist Press during the Chuck Grassley press conference. They weren't taking notes, had no tape recorder and no pen in sight. Perhaps that says something about their abilities as objective journalists? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I, however, did not see Stevo Fox. Foxy, where were you man?

And by chance did anyone in attendance step into Room 207 and look out over the exhibit hall of the National Baptist Convention's?

They had vendors selling fur coats, bright suits, and large hats. You could even purchase a pimped-up 2008 SUV w/ tinted windows and Rollin' on Dubbs (20 inch gold plated RIMS)!!!! There were at least four such vehicles on display courtesy of Stone Mountain BMW.
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby KeithE » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:15 am

Big Daddy Weaver wrote: James Dunn gave me a bow-tie when I left the BJC but for the life of me I can't figure out how to tie the dang thing.


Brent Walker (who is Dunn's replacement now about 10 years ago) has figured out how to tie a bow tie. Was that in honor of James Dunn?
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Here is what CB Scott

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:45 pm

had to say about the Atlanta Covenant:

http://cbscottreport.blogspot.com/2008/ ... -make.html
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Re: Here is what CB Scott

Postby Norm » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:50 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:had to say about the Atlanta Covenant:

http://cbscottreport.blogspot.com/2008/ ... -make.html


Yawn.
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby Rock » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:28 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:In my opinion we shouldn't post this stuff. There is no value in posting and quoting those who don't want to be a part of the unity that the NBC is seeking or bothering to argue with him.

It is clear that we are in a very different place of faith than he is. He sees a perfect Word of God and thinks that is the Bible. We see a perfect Word of God and know that it is Jesus.

I'll take the warm and fuzzy of the Holy Spirit over the cold and empty that he touts as gospel.


Tim,

I agree with you. What happened in Atlanta was real. If some people do not want to see that, that is certainly there loss. The NBC was a God moment to be experienced. Those who have had no such experience should not be belittled for what they have missed.
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby David Flick » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:51 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:In my opinion we shouldn't post this stuff. There is no value in posting and quoting those who don't want to be a part of the unity that the NBC is seeking or bothering to argue with him.

It is clear that we are in a very different place of faith than he is. He sees a perfect Word of God and thinks that is the Bible. We see a perfect Word of God and know that it is Jesus.

I'll take the warm and fuzzy of the Holy Spirit over the cold and empty that he touts as gospel.

Point taken, post deleted...
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby Mark » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:58 pm

Haven't yet posted my own wrap-up of the wonderful celebration in Atlanta, but I strongly believe that censoring voices of dissent - no matter how unpleasant to read or hear - is hardly ever an appropriate response. I understand and appreciate the inclination to do so, but I have a visceral and almost instinctive negative reaction against it. Let the naysayers be heard, then let each one decide. Next time the naysayer might be one of the rest of us.

Not sure what was deleted, anyway. The link to C.B. Scott's blog entry still appears above.
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby Mark » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:58 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:It isn't censorship to suggest that we not scour the internet and post links to negative blogs. No one has suggested that CB Scott can't blog all he wants and that you can't read his stuff...


Was Norm "scouring the internet" by referencing the original BP article that launched this thread? Is the thread entitled "Core-relating" also out of line, or a damper to the spirit of Atlanta? Is that what you think every time someone posts a link to something negative?

I was truly honored and enjoyed meeting you in Atlanta, Tim. I'm not sure why this has hit me so much the wrong way. (Perhaps it's because I still haven't figured out what Flick supposedly deleted, as the blog entry in question is still there, above.) I'm glad you can bask in all the post-NBC momentum without a C.B. Scott in your back yard. But that's the Southern Baptist world in which folks like Fox and myself live and must contend with, even when merely mentioning to others around us that we were in attendance.

C.B. Scott was was one of the four (or five?) SBC bloggers invited months ago to the Carter Center in Atlanta. He's not an obscure blogger someone located by "scouring the Internet." Reading what he said about the Atlanta meeting was unpleasant but also very informative. And I'm not trying to quench the Spirit by saying so.

To be dismissive of such viewpoints is to be dismissive toward those surrounded by such viewpoints, who must grapple with how to respond to them on a weekly basis. It's kinda like when folks you and Ed say something like "Why can't you people get over the SBC?" - a sentiment with which I agree, but perhaps easier to say while walking in shoes that are planted someplace like Iowa or New York.
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby Big Daddy Weaver » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:47 pm

I agree with Mark.

If you read any of the SBC blogs talking about the NBC - you will find CB Scott in the comment threads. If you're familiar with SBC Outpost or Burleson's blog - you'll know who CB Scott is. And if you've ever read my blog on the NBC, on Richard Land, or on Mike Huckabee (the three subjects I talk about the most): you'll have seen CB Scott in the comment thread.

CB Scott was a foot-soldier in the 80s. After his meeting with President Carter, it's been interesting to watch his views and attitude toward the Celebration evolve over the past 6 months.

Now, over at my blog, CB wrote this:

I once moved to put the church President Clinton was a member of out of the SBC. It was Dr. Patterson who ruled the motion out of order when it came to the floor for a vote. It may have passed.

Big Daddy, I am now glad it did not pass. I am glad it was ruled out of order. Although, I know, Dr. Patterson knows, and probably you know it was not out of order.

Dr. Patterson ruled it out of order because he saw what it could cause in the future had it passed and it may very well have passed.


I'm not sure if CB's motion was what Clinton was referring to or maybe such a motion was made more than once in the early 1990s. I don't know.

All that to say, I disagree with CB Scott on a host of issues. But I like him.

I've seen alot of crappy articles linked to on the threads here at BaptistLife.com. It doesn't bother me though. I'm a Baptist in the Hugo Black tradition. We don't censor.

So Mark, you can read CB's comments and the Transcript of Bill Clinton's speech HERE.

You can also read his blog at http://cbscottreport.blogspot.com/
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby Mark » Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:58 pm

Big Daddy Weaver wrote:I agree with Mark...

Your words of support are an encouragement, kind sir. (More than you know.) :)


BDW wrote:If you read any of the SBC blogs talking about the NBC - you will find CB Scott in the comment threads. If you're familiar with SBC Outpost or Burleson's blog - you'll know who CB Scott is. And if you've ever read my blog on the NBC, on Richard Land, or on Mike Huckabee (the three subjects I talk about the most): you'll have seen CB Scott in the comment thread...

I'm very glad he's continued to dialogue with you.


BDW wrote:CB Scott was a foot-soldier in the 80s. After his meeting with President Carter, it's been interesting to watch his views and attitude toward the Celebration evolve over the past 6 months....

Yes, it has.


BDW wrote:I'm not sure if CB's motion was what Clinton was referring to or maybe such a motion was made more than once in the early 1990s. I don't know....

I never realized C.B. Scott authored one of the anti-Clinton resolutions.


BDW wrote:All that to say, I disagree with CB Scott on a host of issues. But I like him....

As you pointed out, C.B. Scott was a foot soldier in the SBC's conservative resurgence. Then it seemed like he was moderating a bit during the more recent early days of supporting Wade Burleson-related causes. But now, the post-New Baptist Covenant C.B. sounds hardline again.


BDW wrote:I've seen alot of crappy articles linked to on the threads here at BaptistLife.com....

Surely you jest. :D


BDW wrote:I'm a Baptist in the Hugo Black tradition....

And that's about as good as it gets. (He was from Alabama, you'll recall...) 8)


BDW wrote: So Mark, you can read CB's comments and the Transcript of Bill Clinton's speech HERE. You can also read his blog at http://cbscottreport.blogspot.com/

Thanks again, BDiddy... I 'preciate ya. 8)
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Re: Isaiah et al. go negative

Postby Ed Pettibone » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:53 pm

BDW wrote: So Mark, you can read Cb's comments and the Transcript of Bill Clinton's speech HERE. You can also read his blog at http://cbscottreport.blogspot.com/


Ed: But you really have to see and hear a video of Clinton's speech to appreciate it fully. The expression of his voice and face plus the timing of his delivery do not come through in the written text.
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