American Concentration Camps

[Sandy]

We have a tendency as Americans to take the liberty that we wake up to every day and the prosperity and relative safety that we live in for granted. Our eyes tend to move past unpleasant things that we are not personally experiencing. The attention of the American people needs to be drawn to what is happening to the people, mostly impoverished Central Americans desperately trying to stay alive and keep their children safe, who are being detained along our border. People locked up in cages, separated from their children, sleeping on floors in some cases without blankets. What's going on there is absolutely inexcusable. Don't even argue back that they are "lawbreakers" because they have tried to cross the border illegally, that is just a demonstration of a calloused, uncaring attitude blinded by prejudice and hatred.

There have been some groups of Christians who have tried to help by taking supplies and attempting to help parents locate kids, mostly Catholic relief services, but they have been turned away. Turned away.

This particular migration to the United States is our fault. We're the market for the drugs that the cartels are terrorizing and turning countries into lawless anarchies for. But our billionaires are worth more than the impoverished Central Americans so we cut what aid they were getting to help fight the problem so the billionaires can have a tax cut. Trump is too busy entertaining his communist friend in North Korea to pay attention.

I don't see much about what is going on at the border from my evangelical friends on social media. They're either blind to it because they aren't paying attention, or they have isolated themselves from it by watching fake news that doesn't report the truth, or they don't really care and they think these people are getting what they deserve. Why isn't Franklin Graham boiling with indignation over this? Doesn't he fly planeloads of dollar store junk all over the world, including to Central America so that kids can have a gift and get the gospel message at Christmas, or is that just a fundraising ploy? Where's the megachurch pastors who are always scamming for photo ops?

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[William Thornton]

Dem talking points...an insult to millions of Jews.

[Sandy]

An insult to Jews? Read a little William, and enlighten yourself. The isolationists kept the Jews out of the United States as best they could prior to and after the war, because no one really believed what was actually going on and because they claimed the Nazis would use the stream of refugees as a means of putting "spies and saboteurs" into the country. Once the war started, and the Holocaust got going, we wouldn't even help empty the reachable neutral countries in Europe, Spain, Portugal and Sweden, by taking the load off of them and allow Jews that were crowded into their countries to come to the US so that those who could still make their way out of Nazi-held Europe would be welcomed there.

If the Jews were in charge of the administration, they'd welcome the refugees and asylum seekers with open arms.

[Tim Bonney]

Whatever you call the camps, the treatment of the migrants in them is inhuman. And the discovered mean and rude behavior of some of the guards in them posts to a failed system.

The US carries some responsibility for the conditions in Central America having spent years propping up banana republics and their dictators. If we really wanted to to this migration we would work with Central American nations on their economies and security so that people didn't feel compelled to leave their homes.

These people aren't criminals. They are terrified poor people who have no hope and no where to turn to. A governments lack of concern and compassion for these people make a lie out of ideals of justice and freedom.

[Sandy]

https://sbcvoices.com/do-we-see-the-mig ... -helpless/

There are, thankfully, some Christians and even a few Southern Baptists who don't consider the issue "Dem talking points" and exhibit at least some understanding of what is happening.

[William Thornton]

The author of the voices piece has better sense than to make a equivalency with Dachau and Auschwitz. You guys apparently don't.

[Tim Bonney]

I think what is going on at the border is horrible. But, looking up the basic definition of concentration camps, I'm not sure using that word helps. It just gives the GOP a talking point and is offending some of our Jewish friends.

We can talk about the inhuman conditions with other terminology with out proving Godwins Law. I have to believe there are Republicans too that don't want to see chidden neglected and mistreated.

[Sandy]

[William Thornton]

Timothy has good sense on this.

[Dave Roberts]

This morning, there were interviews on NPR with former CBP employees who admitted that the mistreatment was crafted to deter people from coming. Asylum is a right recognized by the Geneva Convention. Not every asylum request has to be granted, but to apply is a right guaranteed under the Geneva Convention signed at the end of World War II which we helped to craft. To say that people applying for asylum are "illegals" is the direct violation of International Law that we helped to create. Are our politicians actually this ignorant?

[Tim Bonney]

[Joseph Patrick]

[Sandy]

[William Thornton]

Hmmm... sure.

If "concentration camp" is used you can bet it's on purpose. Insanity.

[Haruo]

[William Thornton]

[Haruo]

True, not for the purpose of extermination. But for concentration, absolutely.

[Sandy]

[Haruo]

[Dave Roberts]

[William Thornton]

This is bat guano crazy. Some trumphater calls ins facilities "concentration camps". That is meant to convey nazi death camp imagery. It's a stupid strategic move. I can't believe you guys rationalize it. Absurd. Get a life.

[Sandy]

What is "bat guano crazy", "absurd," and punctuated by "get a life" is the entire Trump charade including his Fox propaganda network and the absolute insanity of believing any of that crap. Outrage should be directed at the fact that here, in the 21st century, an American president's bigotry and hatred of latinos has permitted something to happen on American soil that should never have happened here, especially after all of the lessons we have learned and seen. If you're more outraged over a comparison of the orange headed windbag to the Nazis than you are over the way refugees are being treated at the border then that's "bat guano crazy" and not just absurd. It's insane.

[Tim Bonney]

Do you see what is happening? You all are spending all his time arguing about what to call the camps. Its a big mistake to focus on that and not the plight of the children. Call it whatever the heck you want, but get those kinds better facilities, food and care!

[William Thornton]

[Tim Bonney]