Christians and Truth

[Dave Roberts]

This article raises a lot of questions about our biases. It is worth the read.

[KeithE]

Very good article.

I note that a David Roberts is quoted down near the ned of the article. But it’s not you.

My sense is that the “original sin” in this lack of honesty (“christian lying” in this article) was in the late 19th century with the theory of biblical inerrancy ( and AA Hodge at Princeton Sem). It grew into creationism in the early 1900’s (think ) and later into political conservatism in the 1970’s (think Moral Majority) and in the 80/90’s was co-opted by purely political conservatism (think Limbaugh/Fox News). Today we are fully into what the article calls a “tribal epistemology” where truth is found by most people base on what their adopted “tribe” says.

Next to come?

It is a sad state of affairs and the only way out, imo, is a broadly employed data/facts epistemology. Real truth matters!

[Haruo]

[KeithE]

[Rvaughn]

[Sandy]

[Jim]

[Tim Bonney]

[Sandy]

[Tim Bonney]

[KeithE]

[KeithE]

[Jim]

[KeithE]

[Sandy]

Constitutionally, I don't think there's a way to overturn the results of an election. I don't know how they'd go about it if they find that the Russians tampered with voting machines, which they are investigating BTW. But I think in this case, given the mountain of evidence that the Mueller investigation has gathered, and the reaction to the indictments, and the various ways Trump has tried to derail, discredit, or somehow get out in front of the investigation, they'll find enough for a nice impeachment, trial and removal from office. Shades of Tricky Dick.

[Jim]

To get an impeachment (simple majority vote) the House has to be flipped to the democrats. The Senate would have to be inordinately flipped to get removal (two-thirds vote). Not likely.

[Sandy]

[Haruo]

If the Constitution still had Clinton as VP under Trump, I'm not sure how many Republicans would vote to convict, but given that the fallback is Pence... Sandy's scenario here might be realistic. Conversely, this wouldn't particularly help the Democrats on many of the matters that motivate the partisan portion of their desire to get rid of Trump.

[Sandy]

[Jim]

[Dave Roberts]

[Sandy]