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Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:34 am

Many of you would have been hearing about the volcanic eruptions in Guatemala and the loss of life there in the past few days.

Well, First UMC Indianola is supposed to be sending a group to Guatemala and landing at the airport that is about 25 miles from the volcano that was shut down twice this week due to eruptions. I'm attending this trip with 13 other persons, several of them college and high school students.

We are supposed to leave on the 22nd of June. So now we are following the news closely and try to discern if we will be able to make the trip or not.

I thought about a lot of contingencies. Volcanos wasn't one of them. :-(
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Dave Roberts » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:16 pm

Praying for the trip and for the people in harm's way.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Haruo » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:12 pm

My niece in Guatemala is luckily about two and a half hours from the volcano, and hasn't even suffered ashfall. Will keep your group and the area in prayer.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:09 pm

Thanks for the prayers! If it wasn’t for the location of the airport, the mission we are going to also has experienced no ash fall. The airport situation is really the iffy thing right now.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Sandy » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:11 pm

Tim Bonney wrote:Thanks for the prayers! If it wasn’t for the location of the airport, the mission we are going to also has experienced no ash fall. The airport situation is really the iffy thing right now.


Are you flying into Guatemala City? There are several volcanoes not too far out. I remember flying in there years ago for a mission trip, and seeing several out the window of the plain, with their little plumes of smoke. Hope it clears out.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Tim Bonney » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:53 pm

Yes, we are flying into Guatemala City. Right now there continue to be issues at the volcano that has been erupting but, nothing that seems to be effecting the airport or the mission we are visiting.

We are going to a small village called San Lucas Toliman. The mission is actually run by the Roman Catholic Church.

We finally decided that we would make a final decision by the 18th of June. That is the Monday before we are to leave on the 22nd. I think it is likely we will go and I also think it is possible that a few people will decide to not go. So we may travel with a smaller group.

I’ve done enough international traveling to know that delays can happen and you just have to roll with it as long as it is nothing dangerous.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Sandy » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:36 pm

Guatemala City has a pretty modern airport, not big, but pretty nice for Central America. I was there when I was in college, for a week, helping build a building for a church in Chichicastenango. It was quite an experience. We rode a commercial bus up there, up narrow mountain roads. The bus was an old American school bus, plywood where the fabric once was on the seats, no glass in any of the windows, including the windshield, and the locals rode 4 to a seat. The electricity in the town went off at 7 p.m. each evening. I will never forget, in a place that seemed like the end of the world, there was a corner grocery store that sold Coke and 7-up. The church building that we built was basically framework covered with corrugated tin. We insulated the interior walls and put up wallboard, they had one window air unit. It seemed that the benches would only hold about 150 people but somehow they crammed 300 in there for the building dedication on Sunday. Wonderful people. Gigantic bugs and lizards.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Tim Bonney » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:09 pm

The Lord willing, I’ll see the airport on the 22nd of June. We are going to San Lucas Toliman. The mission we are visiting is a Roman Catholic Mission that we have a connection with through Simpson College. There is some Methodist work in the Guatemala City area too.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby KeithE » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:35 am

Tim Bonney wrote:The Lord willing, I’ll see the airport on the 22nd of June. We are going to San Lucas Toliman. The mission we are visiting is a Roman Catholic Mission that we have a connection with through Simpson College. There is some Methodist work in the Guatemala City area too.


Good luck Tim. A lot of turmoil in Guatemala. Let us know any thing might find out about that turmoil and migration attempts into the USA.

Recent Event in San Lucas Toliman: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Lucas_Tolimán#21st_century[/url]

Is this the Roman Catholic Mission?
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Lucas_Tolimán#20th_century:_San_Lucas_Mission]San Lucas Mission[/url]

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Re: Guatelama

Postby Tim Bonney » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:34 am

Thanks Keith! Yes, this is a Roman Catholic Mission we are visiting. Simpson College has connections through a previous trip so our church connected up with this location through them. They are doing really good work in medical, agricultural, and several other missional projects in the area. This will be our church’s 4th trip there. The volcano this time complicated our travel plans. But all seems to be coming together.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Tim Bonney » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:45 pm

I returned yesterday from 10 days in Guatemala. It was a very interesting trip. I learned a lot about the country, their culture, and the poverty in the area. We also had good opportunity to participate in some of the ministry through building projects going on around San Lucas Toliman.

I’m always reminded that US citizens far more rich than we ever realize and that poverty is as much a function of poor political systems as it is economics.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Dave Roberts » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:37 am

Tim Bonney wrote:I returned yesterday from 10 days in Guatemala. It was a very interesting trip. I learned a lot about the country, their culture, and the poverty in the area. We also had good opportunity to participate in some of the ministry through building projects going on around San Lucas Toliman.

I’m always reminded that US citizens far more rich than we ever realize and that poverty is as much a function of poor political systems as it is economics.


Sadly, in our own hemisphere as well as in other places of American interest, we have often helped create the political systems that have proven so destructive in so many countries. We engaged in wars (off the books and funded through the Iran-Contra deals of the 1980's) that helped destabilize much of Central America.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Haruo » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:25 am

The current situation in Guatemala owes much to the US invasion the year I was born. A precursor of 9/11, when we overthrew Chile. Chile has had a bit more luck recovering from our assistance, but they haven't forgotten what we put them through, Pinochet and all that.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:30 am

Dave and Haruo, you are both right about US involvement for generations being on of Guatemala's problems. Sadly, also, we forgot our historic involvement in the country and then turn a deaf ear when refugees seek help for a situation that we are in part responsible for.

The characterization of asylum seekers as criminals is such a horrible shame. The people of Guatemala I met are poor but very hard working continuous people who are just trying to do what we are all doing, make a life for us and our families.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Haruo » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:12 pm

When someone makes it move
Of which we don't approve,
Who is it that always intervenes?
UN and OAS,
They have their place I guess,
But first...
Send the Marines!

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Re: Guatelama

Postby Jim » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:45 pm

The illegal immigrant problem reminds one of the Mariel boat-lift of 1980 (125,000 immigrants), when Castro consigned some of his folks to the evils of the USA. This reminder appeared in TIME in August last year:

In order to save face, Castro put forward the narrative that the Cubans who sought to leave the island were the dregs of society and counter-revolutionaries who needed to be purged because they could never prove productive to the nation. This sentiment, along with reports that he had opened his jails and mental institutes as part of this boatlift, fueled a mythology that the Marielitos were a criminal, violent, sexually deviant and altogether “undesirable” demographic.

In reality, more than 80% of the Marielitos had no criminal past, even in a nation where “criminality” could include acts antithetical to the revolutionary government’s ideals. In addition to roughly 1,500 mentally and physically disabled people, this wave of Cubans included a significant number of sex workers and queer and transgender people—some of whom were part of the minority who had criminal-justice involvement, having been formerly incarcerated because of their gender and sexual transgression.

Castro felt forced to do this account of a period of serious unrest in the citizenry. The current “asylum-seekers” were in no greater danger than were nearly all the Cubans then. Carter simply accepted the Cubans, as democrat leaders want Trump to do now regarding the immigrant-influx, no questions asked with respect to whoever makes it through Mexico to the border. Obama faced the same problem in 2014 and placed people in cage-like facilities, pictures of which have been used by the media as current, an example of fake-news.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Sandy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:10 pm

Jim wrote:Carter simply accepted the Cubans, as democrat leaders want Trump to do now regarding the immigrant-influx, no questions asked with respect to whoever makes it through Mexico to the border.


That's somewhat of a skewed perspective, given that back during the Carter administration, the Republicans were claiming to be the strongest advocates for Cuban refugees, because they wanted to polish their anti-communist badges, and several of them were critical of the Carter administration for not moving fast enough, and for setting up a vetting process to try and get a handle on which were actually criminals, and which of those from the Cuban prisons were simply political prisoners. The Republican position on immigration from Cuba was an open border, because Cuba was communist, and they considered every Cuban who attempted to get to the US as a person qualified to enter because they were seeking assylum. They were not interested in "enforcing immigration law," or "immigration reform" when it came to Cubans (see Elian Gonzales). The Republican position was hands off, let them come and suspend the quota, which they actually did once Reagan was in office.

Not so with the Central Americans. And while the statement that Democratic leaders want simple acceptance of whoever makes it across the Mexican border is patently and provably false, the problem Central Americans have, though they are equally as oppressed and as much in danger as any anti-Castro Cuban ever was, is that they are coming from tin-pot dictatorships that have resulted largely from American interference, dominance and attempted exploitation of the Central American countries. Our policy, money, and presence in these countries (see Ronald Reagan and the Iran-Contra scandal) funneling money to insurrections and rebellions, or to corrupt, cruel dictatorships all to "protect American interests", has created incredible poverty, lack of any kind of real opportunity, political unrest and upheaval, and has created a stream of people who ironically see their only opportunity for a better life is to go north and risk crossing the border where Republican supported corporations and businesses are waiting with open arms to exploit the cheap, illegal labor and keep the stream moving.
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Re: Guatelama

Postby Dave Roberts » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:23 am

Jim, you need to check your history. Carter did admit the Mariel Boat Lift people, but the first large Cuban group was accepted by the Eisenhower Administration in 1958-59. If I'm not mistaken, Ike was a Republican, and that exodus from Cuba was much larger.
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