Mueller Indictments

[KeithE]

The Mueller indictments against 13 Russians (just made) on how they influenced the American mind from 2014 onward (especially "Right Wing ethno-nationalistic” groups as Malcolm Nance just characterized on TV) is just the beginning of the Mueller probe output. I am hopeful that RW Americans will see how much they have been snookered but that will come slowly. Nance had it right in his book . He was right! But is Trump complicit? Will Trump fall? - yet to be seen. Trump’s premise has been there has been no Russian meddling. Will he seek extradition of the 13?

You can read the indictment yourself . I will do so.

[Tim Bonney]

I don’t know if Trump knew or not. But I’m finding it less and less likely that someone in the campaign didn’t know. How far up the collusion to steal the election goes is yet to be seen. Was it simply an act of cyber-war by Russia? (I imagine Trump is hoping for that conclusion.) How much higher does this go?

My impression of Mueller is that he only brings charges we he is darned sure they’ll stick. So he is being methodical and careful. I imagine the White House is staff is terrified.

[Joseph Patrick]

From Gerry Milligan

And now, after over a year of denying that his Russian friends had nothing to do with this, the president is now admitting that Russia is involved. What next? That 3 million votes were not from undocumented people? As my grand mother often said, "Will wonders never cease?"

[Jon Estes]

I think a fair assessment is to stop trying to pin something her on Trump and just see that Russia's interest is to / was to bring disruption - period.

Trump haters will see collusion no matter what. They seem to need a conspiracy.

Most of those same people have shown no concern for other non-Americans trying to influence our judicial/congressional system.

I guess it all depends on what you want.

You wanted Hillary - Russian interference is illegal.
You want open borders - Illegal interference is a right.

Just shaking my head at the hypocrisy

[William Thornton]

What did the indictments say about collusion?

Really, the russkies helped Sanders?

[Jim]

You couldn't make up this stuff. Blaming the Russians for both the meltdown of Bernie AND Hillary gets them off the hook for being so inept and socialistic (like the Russians) has to be done, not to mention the DNC, which, with Hillary, paid big bucks (remember the dossier and FISA) actually to deep-six Trump before and after the election, and is still trying to force him to somehow resign. Trump has been the victim of everybody from Obama (dating to 2014 when the Russians supposedly started doing dirty tricks) to Comey and the FBI to Lynch and Bubba (the tarmac-twosome) to the famous FBI fornicators to a Brit guy named Steele, who did the dirty work. The congressional committees have done the hard work, exposing the whole scheme and the players, and this has just been a start. Mueller never had anything but had to indict someone besides Manafort so he indicted folks who can never be tried for anything. Putin is probably laughing his head off. Hopefully, the CIA is doing its own dirty work regarding elections and other stuff all over the world. That's what it's for.

[Haruo]

Collusion and interference are two separate concepts. I think there is some evidence of some collusion (particularly involving Trump's family members and possibly one or two other campaign people) but much more evidence of Russian interference in US electoral politics.

[William Thornton]

My question was about what is known at this point.

[KeithE]

[William Thornton]

Ok, collusion or no collusion at this point, after these indictments? Your speculation about the future is noted.

[Jim]

[KeithE]

[Joseph Patrick]

[William Thornton]

Struck dumb? Collusion or no collusion?

[Sandy]

The indictments completely discredit Trump's claim that this is a witch hunt, and fake news. Already a known fact, but like most everything else he's said about the whole matter, it's pretty clear he's trying to divert, and worried about what is getting dug up. These indictments may not prove collusion, but the Mueller investigation got plea deals from Flynn and Papadopolous and looks like it is heading toward Page and Gates. And their indictment does indicate collusion, along with a whole mountain of other evidence. So far, Trump is zero when it comes to getting facts right about this thing, the FISA warrants didn't depend on the dossier, and the FBI had a lot of other reasons to get them. If there wasn't anything to it related to Trump, he would have no need to go to these kinds of lengths to stop it.

[William Thornton]

Hey, I didn't start the drumbeat of collusion with the russkies. I'm just wondering if this bunch of indictments puts us there. Apparently, the answer is not to be uttered...

[Dave Roberts]

I think that the administration comes down to one question. "Will Trump seek the extradition of these 13 indicted conspirators or sanction the facilitators of the perpetrators?" It would seem that to do neither would have to be impeachable as the failure to administer the law of the land.

[Sandy]

[Jon Estes]

[KeithE]

[Sandy]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ea-mueller

[Tim Bonney]

[William Thornton]

Timothy, my hero, answers the simple question I asked an Internet epoch ago. Thanks.

[KeithE]

[KeithE]

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