The Republican Jesus

[Jon Estes]

[KeithE]

[Jon Estes]

Daves post (poster) mocked the right, of which I am a part.

I guess it makes you happy to state things the way the poster stated them.

Because I support being in the country legally and think all illegals need to be here in a manner which is legal, doesn't make me an enemy... it does, I guess, make you unhappy. Oh well.

When a poor lost man is turned away from heaven because He is not saved, our heart ought to be broken over his lostness first, not his poverty. Helping correct one of these makes an eternal difference, the other doesn't.

[Sandy]

[Dave Roberts]

[Jon Estes]

[Dave Roberts]

Jon, is it not possible to believe in both the Great Commission and the Great Commandments? If I love my neighbor as I love myself, I neither want him lost nor hungry, ill-clothed or homeless.

I do ask myself occasionally what it would have meant had Egypt had a border wall in 4 BC???

[William Thornton]

[Sandy]

[Jim]

[Dave Roberts]

[Sandy]

Under any "immigration reform" plan, what gets reformed? We have a quota system in place, but it hasn't kept up with patterns of immigration. Quotas from some countries go unfilled, while others are jammed. They are always set with some "engineering" with regard to nationalities and race, and in more recent history, to allow for those with technical skills, and medical skills, to enter because we are getting short in those categories. We also have a long history and heritage as a country which provides a refuge from oppression, and as a country which provides a place for people to start over, and have opportunity they can't get elsewhere. All of those things need to be in balance.

There was a time in the modern history of the country that quotas and numbers were used to restrict Jewish refugees from entering, at the time they were being persecuted and murdered by the Nazis in Europe. All kinds of mazes and obstacle courses were put in place, with the reason for restricting them being that there might be spies or saboteurs among them. Most of them were trapped in Nazi occupied Europe, and couldn't get legal papers, but even among those who could, the United States set up roadblocks for allowing them to come here. Race or religion shouldn't make a difference in whether a person gets to come here, or whether we will allow them freedom from oppression here, that aspect of immigration should be color blind.

[Haruo]

The Grange Hall we went to a singing at in Joseph, Oregon, earlier this year had a plaque on the wall commemorating the Grange's significant accomplishments. One of the items celebrated was the Chinese Exclusion Act.

[Sandy]

[Jon Estes]

[Jon Estes]

[Dave Roberts]

[Sandy]

[Jim]

[Jon Estes]

[Jon Estes]

Jim - It seems too many people try to make God fit the current culture and they work real hard to adjust God to see it happen instead of working hard to get the culture to adjust to fit God and His standard.

[Sandy]

[William Thornton]

Let's put an end to this. If Egypt had a border wall then obviously God would have been stymied.

[Dave Roberts]

[Sandy]

I think we can get creative, and have a little fun with this. I mean, once Joseph, Mary and Jesus made it to Egypt, they were poor Palestinian refugees. Not much of a chance getting into the US with that kind of status with Republicans in charge of immigration.