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Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Haruo » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:19 am

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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby William Thornton » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:05 pm

Well' I think the guy is a nut but he's Stephen and Keiths' senator, not mine.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Haruo » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:42 pm

Not yet. Maybe the Dems will try a serious run for it. Post-Wallace Dems, ie.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby KeithE » Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:37 pm

The media will be giving Doug Jones (the Democratic candidate and US Attorney) a hearing, and they have loads of money.

Read about Jones' priorities .

Read about Moore’s past political actions including twice being removed from office, claiming Sharia Law is already in place in Illinois and Indiana.

Not that many here will vote and I think I know how Stephen and myself will vote.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Dave Roberts » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:33 am

From what I can see, the mainstream GOP was hoping they did not have to run Roy Moore because he is seen as such a divisive figure. I don't know Alabama politics, but Moore keeps embarrassing the GOP on the national stage. I can only imagine what he would be like in the US Senate.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Sandy » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:38 am

This was a very entertaining race to watch, strange in many ways (couldn't resist). Strange had the full endorsement of Trump, money from his campaign, and a string of public appearances from the VP, along with a last day rally appearance by Trump himself. Didn't help. In fact, Strange's final vote total showed a 5% drop from his position in the polling data a week earlier. Trump lied that Strange "gained 25% in the polls" after he endorsed him. Not sure why he bothered to say that since those polls are always wrong ya know? Strange was pretty steady throughout the campaign at 46-48%, but dropped after Trump's endorsement and appearance and finished at just under 44%. Trump never really had enough support to "drag" any other candidates across the line, and he's lost enough at this point to be a liability for most Republicans, even in red states.

A few observations:

1. Democrats collectively spent about $1 million on special elections in Montana, Kansas and South Carolina, all deep red states, and all deep red districts. Republicans had won those districts in November by 60% or more of the vote. But the Democrats collectively gained 15% of the vote in all three, on virtually no money because the party basically had written them off. All three finished above 45%, with the Kansas race actually not being called for several days because the mail-in absentee ballots had to be counted to determine the winner. And the Republican candidates collectively outspent the Democrats 20 to 1.

2. It was amusing to watch the Republicans holler about all the "outside money" that Ossoff got in the Georgia race, while 80% of the money spent on Handel came from outside sources, and she spent about double what he did to eke out a very narrow victory in a district that was gerrymandered for Newt Gingrich. That just months after the election, when Mike Price picked up over 60% of the vote in the same district. Ossoff picked up right at 49% of the vote both times, in a district where only 35% of the voters identify as Democrats, and walked away with enough money to run again without having to raise any, a "victory" in that his ability to gather that kind of turnout and vote total was clearly a referendum against Trump in a deep red district in a deep red state.

3. Jon's not really interested in actual facts. But some others might be. There is a "Trump effect" at the polls in special elections, and it basically means big gains for Democrats almost all the way across the board.
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Alabama could be interesting. It was an easy state to gerrymander, concentrating the African American population into gerrymandered districts, but this is a statewide election. I would guess one of the GOP "strategies" will be to figure out how to suppress the African American vote, and the growing Latino vote in the state. It's also a "turnout" election on, of all days, December 12. A special election in December traditionally does not draw voters to the polls in large numbers. Jones has some advantages. There is an anti-Moore element in Alabama among some white voters, particularly those who have some intelligence and education. The key will be turning out their base in a December election. They have the money, and will have PAC dollars too, since it's an off year. The DNC has plenty, and will most likely be willing to spend enough to make the GOP have to spend theirs too, and Moore has already spent a fortune. At any rate, it will give a couple of our board members a chance to share their in-state insights.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Sandy » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:10 am

Aside from Clinton not being the topic here, it's clear that Jon has neither read her book, or paid attention to any of her interviews. His perception is dead wrong.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

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Look for Know Nothing column in NY Times

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:52 am

or maybe part of the chat on Meet the Press this weekend.

Harold Bloom wrote about the Know Nothings and SBC fundamentalism in 93 in the American Religion. These next few months will be a test of the leadership of the Bama SBC in the wake of the Phoenix alt Right resolution to see if they are struck mute in the face of Roy Moore's Know Nothing fundamentalism.Moore's brand has champions in the megachurches of FBC Gardendale, Church of the Highlands and their 14 campuses which includes Gadsden and my State Senator Phil Williams an ordained FCA SBC minister,and descendants of the Appletons whose cousin Jon is pastor emeritus of FBC Athens Ga with ties to the SEC.

So here we go.

Also see Nick Saban's statement on Trump SOB Statement at Saturdays Down South.

Does Alabama understand the Republican legacy of Judge Frank Johnson or are we as STeve Bannon says a bunch of rubes whose people of color dont count unless they are an event. See Kanye West

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Sandy and Clinton

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:55 am

Hillary Clinton was Lincolnesque on NPR Fresh Air Monday week ago when in the second segment she described the Devils Bargain, the Dark Money Cabal that put trump in Office. Sandy, you and Trey Gowdy and FBC Spartanburg can take it or leave it, but them's the apples of the soul molesting you and Trey Gowdy and Frank Gowdy were complicitous in this last election.

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An Alabama native Testifies about Know Nothing Moore

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:00 am

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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

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