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Cathy wrote:The video is of Roger Olson and Paige Patterson in a discussion that begins with Dr. Olson telling Paige Patterson why he believes he is an Arminian. Calvinism is discussed alone with 5, 4, and 2 points. Then with a question from the audience the discussion moved to the Trinity and eventually Patterson's pastor asks the inevitable inerrancy question. It was all pretty friendly. There was one point in the Trinity discussion that R. Olson said we will after disagree.
First time I have seen a Criswell professor speaking even in a relatively casual setting and though no one else seems to find it note worthy at BL I think there are those that will enjoy Dr. Olson and find the exchange refreshing considering the years since Criswell was launched.
Haruo wrote:Cathy wrote:The video is of Roger Olson and Paige Patterson in a discussion that begins with Dr. Olson telling Paige Patterson why he believes he is an Arminian. Calvinism is discussed alone with 5, 4, and 2 points. Then with a question from the audience the discussion moved to the Trinity and eventually Patterson's pastor asks the inevitable inerrancy question. It was all pretty friendly. There was one point in the Trinity discussion that R. Olson said we will after disagree.
First time I have seen a Criswell professor speaking even in a relatively casual setting and though no one else seems to find it note worthy at BL I think there are those that will enjoy Dr. Olson and find the exchange refreshing considering the years since Criswell was launched.
Cathy, are you dictating this into a sound-activated spelling machine? I'm trying to decipher "we will after disagree", and the only thing I can come up with is a misperception of the sound of "we will have to disagree". If you are not using such a machine, then I have to admit that I don't know how your mind spells things; mistyping "after" when I meant to type "have to" is just about impossible for me to imagine doing.
John Sneed wrote:This is the second thread in which Cathy mentions Calvinism. I suspect she finds it distasteful.
And this is the Roger Olsen who said he could not tell the difference between the God Calvinists worship and Satan. Nuff said there.
John
Do Arminians and Calvinists Worship the Same God?
This question never dies. While most Christians on both sides of the divide say yes, some on both sides say no. Because I have openly admitted here that consistent Calvinism turns God into a monster and makes it difficult to tell the difference between God and the devil, some have assumed I believe the answer must be no. However, I have never said that Arminians and Calvinists worship different Gods.
When I say that Calvinism makes God monstrous and makes it difficult to tell the difference between God and the devil I am talking about from my perspective—not what all Calvinists actually believe. I am talking about the logical implications of Calvinism.
Ed Pettibone wrote:Yes Tim This was/is the Same Roger Olson. He and I where raised in the same Wesleyan tradition and both became Baptist.
William Thornton wrote:A sound bite or short paraphrase is not quite "Nuff said," John. This is one of Olsen's articles that explains more:
Do Arminians and Calvinists Worship the Same God?
Sandy wrote:Yeah, have to say that I don't find much about which to disagree with Roger Olson.
Ed
And Cathy, It is amazing to me if I ever come across something from Criswell College that I consider note worthy. I will say this discussion was the best that I have heard from Patterson. I believe that is because he was being very careful to present at least an illusion of a two sided academic discussion w/o Olson completely putting him in the shade. Patterson had a good mentor in the process of political discourse in the person of Judge Paul Pressler. I have heard both Olson and Patterson in person and I think Olson in this case was being kind.
John Sneed wrote:This is the second thread in which Cathy mentions Calvinism. I suspect she finds it distasteful.
And this is the Roger Olsen who said he could not tell the difference between the God Calvinists worship and Satan. Nuff said there.
John
Timothy Bonney wrote:I'm sure the Arminianism discussion came about largely because one of the participants is a strong proponent.
Timothy Bonney wrote:I've not read it recently Sandy. But Dr. Olsen spends a lot more time talking about Arminianism that most Baptists I've run into since Dale Moody argued for the possibility of apostasy. I think Dr. Oslen is gutsy for swimming against the current stream of Calvinism in the SBC. I'd say that focus makes him a little different than the average SBCer. Give the man credit where credit is due.
Ed Pettibone wrote:Ed: Tim, I agree that Olson talks a lot more about Arminianism than most Baptists but then I am not sure that most Baptists, or other Christians, including those who claim Calvinism give much thought to Historical Theology.
Haruo wrote:My apologies to Cathy for not getting back to her on the request for deletion. I didn't see her message till the thread had been up for a couple days and already had a dozen comments (including my own on the "have to = after" controversyand I was reluctant to delete the thread. Meant to tell her that in a PM but forgot to before I got home (I can't do much moderatorially from my phone).
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