Stephen Fox theory of SBC takeover vindicated

[Sandy]

[Dave Roberts]

[Sandy]

[Dave Roberts]

[Sandy]

[William Thornton]

Start a topic stephen. This one isn't a garbage scow for all loose trash.

[Stephen Fox]

I did start a topic, William, This one. Then Keithe moved it here to your playground where you have a gain deleted my specific thoughts to get the conversation back on topic of the original notion which was the Oct 9 new York Review of books.

You have been kind to me on occasion but to put it mildly you're repaeted witless deletions of my substantive and timely notions on this board is abusrud and most frustrating.

I hope Burce Gourley would have a word with you. or some reasonable person on this board would let me invoke Molly Worthen and Thomas Powers to move things along instead of this exercise in the BFM which we have hashed and rehashsed a thousand times.

[Sandy]

I think the name Molly Worthen has appeared in enough discussions here to consider that angle discussed and of no further value. A direct discussion with you, minus the name dropping, might be refreshing, at least, different enough to elicit a response.

[William Thornton]

Take a non-subtle hint, Stephen. Your name dropping and obsession with the author-du-jour are topic killers. All you need to do is offer a substantive, relevant comment that is more that a reading assignment or linkfest. You want to work Worthen in? Put some of her actual words in not just a reference implying the deficiency of all who haven't sat worshipfully at her feet.

You can do this.

By state a topic, I meant something like "Molly Worthen on SBC stuff." Then actually quote her.

Any references to Birchers or other mid-20th century junk will be instantly dispatched.

Good luck.

[Stephen Fox]

But your day is coming on this matter. My Birch stuff is spot on and many folks who have more insight on this matter than you do agree.

As for Worthen I quoted her at some length less than a month ago, a matter that took a good twenty minutes of my valuable time on the earth, and you deleted it within 30 minutes of its posting.

Very poor judgment on your part, and a blight on the education I share with all who view this site.

[William Thornton]

You've got the time, Stephen.

[Stephen Fox]

The October 9 Powers piece in the http://www.nybooks.com says the BFM of the early 20's set the Century up for a 100 years of disaster in Baptist life as it invoked a Scopes Trial, anti science statement on the earth's creation and the Monkeys that did not evolve in Monkeytown ( a play on rachel Helds' famously titled book) came into control of the SBC and used the rubric of inerrancy to slide a whole denomination into a tea party direction.

I made a similar statement earlier this afternoon to be deleted by Thornton almost 20 minutes later. I hope this restatement finds the oxygen it deserved the first time and still deserves!

[William Thornton]

No, you made no similar statement. This is better in that it actually conveys a cogent thought, or something resembling one. I knew you could do it without ad nauseum name drops, Bircher nonsense, and whatever else clings to your brain far too long.

[Stephen Fox]

Williamm, scroll over to page seven, top right corner, click on the arrows and then using the magnifying icon to enlarge.

Here is the written word from which I am concocting the Gospel for the Halloween Edition of the Cherokee Chronicle of Gaffney South Carolina:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en

[Stephen Fox]

In a section on the Takeover says for a supposed theological battle it was waged politically with scarce little academic writing on the matter of inerrancy. Soon I will blog on the matter and may take up the original topic, the Oct 9 nybooks.com Thomas Powers piece in Baptist History. Am exploring now to see what my chances are in getting a thorough piece on the matter published in one of the better progressive periodicals. Will reference this exercise here on bl.com if I do

[Stephen Fox]

Here is my last attempt to bring this topic back on subject after it's predicted detour into the inerrancy swamp. One last attempt to clear up with her own words what Molly Worthen thinks of inerrancy as it was used in the fundamentalist takeover of the SBC.

And for what she thought of this last mid term as it played out in her homestate of North Carolina, see public policy room of this board

http://foxofbama.blogspot.com/2014/11/m ... alist.html

[Sandy]

I still don't see any place where you've shown that Worthen considered the conservative resugence in the SBC as a "takeover" or characterized it as such. As to her evaluation of it being an "illusion," it must have been a pretty powerful one, to sustain ten years of electoral victories and solidify control of the SBC under conservative leadership, and an even more powerful one to retain it without much of a hint of opposition appearing over the next two decades, anywhere.

That's quite an illusion.

[Stephen Fox]

Right wing evangelicals ralleying around Tom Ellif's son in law and others for 2016

http://baptistnews.com/culture/politics ... te-in-2016

[Stephen Fox]

http://www.fordham.edu/academics/progra ... _74508.asp

[Stephen Fox]

http://www.religiondispatches.org has review of new 400 page book on the matter. History of anti everything from New Deal to Obama care and civil rights movement cause Jesus was coming again.

http://religiondispatches.org/its-the-a ... -and-more/

[Stephen Fox]

"Look out Jesus, it's Paris Trout"

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/201 ... oices.html

[Stephen Fox]

www.foxofbama.blogspot.com

[Stephen Fox]

Last few days I have been rereading Harold Bloom's magnificent exegesis of the SBC Takeover in his 1990 The American Religion. Can't remember if Sandy or Thrnton said they ever read it, but if they want to know what I really think from the Know Nothings, to E Y Mullins, Pressler, Two Seed in the Spirit and the Presslerites, I can't much improve on Bloom who in a famous nutshell said: "The tragedy of the Southern Baptist Convention is the result of a political and social crusade that continues to masquerade as religious conviction."