Fred Luter's SBC bio page?

[Tim Bonney]

[Haruo]

Sandy, mind citing proof texts? Where is this "Biblical instruction for calling church leadership" in the Bible?

[Blake]

[William Thornton]

Why not let's make a note here that all the ex-SBCers here believe that the SBC should have quotas, special committees, and other nice things.

When the CBF has a quota for female pastors, scarce as hen's teeth in that microdenomination, and implements it, I will recommend to the SBC entities that they have racial quotas to balance things out.

[Ed Pettibone]

[KeithE]

[Sandy]

Apparently racial diversity on seminary faculties isn't a high priority for moderate Baptists, either. In some cases, like BTSR and Wake Forest, the faculties are so small, the African American on the staff raises the total percentage, but it seems like they have just as much of a preference for older white men as the SBC schools do. How un-diverse it was of Bill Leonard, who is himself and old white man, to hire James Dunn or Frank Tupper, also old white men, instead of a person of color.

Nor does it appear CBF has, at the core of its values system, racial diversity when it comes to the coordinating council. There is certainly a long-sustained and deliberate effort at choosing laypeople, mandated by bylaw quotas by the way, and to make sure that a high percentage of the council is female, but it doesn't appear there is a concerted effort to have people of color represented in anywhere near the percentages they can be found in the churches, or in the culture at large. What's there certainly doesn't look like a deliberate effort, as Blake suggests. And it still seems that the preference is for older, white men. Interesting, too, is the fact that one of the older white men on the coordinating council happens to be married to the newly nominated executive coordinator, and is a close friend of the old white man who chaired the search committee.

Do you mean to tell me that CBF is choosing (*gasp*) someone they think is the best person for the job rather than make a statement about who they are by picking a person of color?

[Blake]

Boomers picking boomers. Imagine that.

[Dave Roberts]

[Tom Parker]

Sandy:

I will be more blunt that Dave Roberts just was with you. IMO you love to argue just for the sake of arguing!! Your arguments are weak or nonexistent but you are always looking to gig the CBF and write fantasy revisionist junk in a favorable way about the current SBC and anything related to the SBC since 1979--aka as taking the SBC over by the FUNDAMENTALIST.

Why not use facts, Sandy?

[Ed Pettibone]

[Tim Bonney]

[Sandy]

[Sandy]

[Tim Bonney]

[Tom Parker]

Tim:

In the big scheme of things the election of Fred Luter as President of the SBC IMO is a very small step forward for an almost all white leadership of the SBC. But for Sandy the SBC on its own took this great and bold step! Just aint so as hard as he loves to spin it.

BTW, Sandy if it were not so sad as to what happened to the SBC-- I would find your fictionalization of past events humorous. It would be an amazing talent.

[Ed Pettibone]

[Tim Bonney]

[Ed Pettibone]

[Stephen Fox]

explains to Luter some recent tea party activity in the state that may provoke the SCLC