Matto wrote:Dave Roberts wrote:As I read the history of the RCC, it seems that Constantine modeled the College of Cardinals on the Roman Senate, didn't he? They were the advisers to the Emperor.
No, you can see the Apostles and elders gather in council in scripture, deciding matters of faith. And they modeled their councils from the Sanhedrin model. Catholicism is a Jewish religion.
I dont know where you get this Constantine idea from.
Matto, you vastly underestimate, whether out of ignorance or meretriciousness, the amount of influence the Roman State (and its State Religion) had on the development of the Roman Catholic Church, particularly during the period of the decline of the Empire, its split, and the "barbarian" invasions of Italy. Much of this influence was exerted during the reign of Constantine I, when the Empire lent its imprimatur to the Petrine Primacy, more or less anyway, and the Patriarch of Rome was marked out as the first among equals. This was also the period when the first version of the Nicene Creed was adopted, when the State threw its weight against Arianism and various other views. Among the obviously pagan influences that then made themselves felt (and that still hold today) were the choice of December 25 (the birthday of Constantine's own favorite god, Sol Invictus, the one that pointed him to the IN HOC SIGNO written in the heavens) as the canonical date for Christmas, and the adoption of the pagan sacerdotal title "Pontifex Maximus" by the Pope ("Pontifex Maximus", i.e. "Chief Bridgebuilder", was the title of the head pagan priest in charge of the bridges over the river Tiber in the old Roman religion.) I think Dave may be exaggerating Constantine's personal role in the revamping of the Roman Church structure, but it is at most an exaggeration, or an according to Constantine of credit for actions actually taken by his underlings, or by churchmen eager to gain imperial favor, not a mysterious out-of-left-field kind of comment.
That said, I am not at all sure what the history of the College of Cardinals is. Apparently there was no standard procedure for the selection of the next pope prior to the year 1059 (which is long after the Constantinian period). But the college has all the earmarks of a Roman, not a Jewish, institution to my eye, including the designation of the Cardinals as "princes of the Church", "prince" being generally a secular rank, probably related to the years following the fall of the Western Empire when the Popes were temporally in charge of varying chunks of territory much larger than the Vatican City State.