Land, Trayvon Martin and Baptist History

[Stephen Fox]

http://www.ethicsdaily.com/sbc-official ... -cms-19482

Parham's exceptions to Richard Land and that of BDWeaver on plagiarism in my mind miss a much bigger point. Weaver in particular may be a distraction cause in some way it is something of a nit pick.

Don't misunderstand, I am no fan of Karl Rove's puppet, Richard Land.
Stan Hastey had Land's number as early as 1982, when Land told Hastey, the conservatives were only concerned with a few tweaks on abortion and school prayer, and the rest of the social issues would work themselves out.

To Quote the S.C. Congressman: He Lied.

The bigger question in this mess, is how does Land navigate the race history of leading SBC takeover folks Jesse Helms, Albert Lee Smith, Paul Pressler and the deacons of Bellevue Baptist while Adrian Rogers was pastor, even Jerry Vines Birch Society influenced West Rome Baptist of the 60's and 70's.

There is a matter of degree to be sure in this swamp of Bapstist history and Race.

But clearly the inerrantists have a history they don't want to talk about.

BDW and Bruce Gourley should be exploring the mater with Chandler Davidson and Tim Tyson

[Stephen Fox]

http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/7318/53/

See comments there

[Stephen Fox]

From the Faith and Practice Episcopalian thread:

Land a bigot?
by Stephen Fox » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:17 pm

I'm not quite ready to join Gene and say Land is a bigot, though I'm no fan of Richard Land.

Over the years I have become less enchanted with Bob Terry good friend of SBC Peace Committee's Charles Pickering. I think Terry was right to take up for Pickering when 60 Minutes tried to name him a bigot; and I think Charles Marsh who knows significantly more about the matter than Gene Scarborough would join me on that.

Here is where we need further investigation from Duke's Curtis Freeman, and Aaron Weaver and Bruce Gourley in conjunction with Chandler Davidson of Rice.

Land is a piece of work, but he has routinely spoken fairly eloquently about Martin King and stood up to Curtis Caine early on.

I am convinced Pressler, Albert Lee Smith, Jesse Helms and some deacon boards that pushed the fundy takeover were bigots. It would be interesting to press Nelson Price on his evolution; and to have Jim Henry weigh in on the matter.

I think Scarborough mighta rushed to judgment on Land; though this is an interesting spotlight for sure

[Stephen Fox]

I have no reason to believe Richard Land or Paige Patterson ever molested boys, but to use Will Campbell's phrase they are soul molesters. From the response of an Amy Sullivan piece at tnr.org; distinct comparisons to the SBC Takeover. After reading Grady Cothen on again last night in the takeover, what is common parlance for some college football coaches, is true of Patterson and and Land and their modus operandi leading "men" in the SBC:

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Quite frankly the even the word "rape" falls short when describing actual rape, or in this case the anal penetration of 12 year old boys. The act itself is so horrific, that only a graphic description imports the proper emotional outrage and disgust. But the culture is defined by the immortal words of Vince Lombardi, "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing". A consistently winning coach does not have one method of motivating. He reads people and figures out what motivates a particular person and uses it. If sex motivates a guy, he gets him sex. If the bible motivates him, he gets him a bible. If a key coach molests little boys, so what as long as he doesn't get caught. The point is to win games. The same amoral immorality applies to winning CEOs. The point is earnings per share. If that meaning cutting wages or polluting a river, so be it. Whatever it takes. That is the essential rot our society faces. The market is about winning, and that is the morality, or ethical code if you will, that more and more governs our society. It corrosives the other moral systems that have traditionally kept cupidity in check.
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