Limbaugh and Coed Sex

[Stephen Fox]

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/20 ... -limbaugh/

At one point they suggest maybe they shoulda called a married woman

[Dave Roberts]

So much fuss over someone calling someone else a name.....but when a person actually treats a woman like a slut, we end up having a group formed by the name of moveon.org to, well, move on and have a whole cadre of supporters telling us that it's over, he's apologized and making a bigger deal of it than we should, even though there are national security implications if the wrong people found out and took advantage of the situation. Anybody wish to recall the terms used to describe the women who accused Clinton of indiscretions?

It's also quite amusing to read the comments sections of local newspapers, USAToday and just about any other news source. For people so "outraged" at the language Limbaugh used....well, they aren't exactly the champions of civil discourse.

Of course, for all the indignation that arises over this matter, Michelle Malkin talks from personal experience: The War on Conservative Women. A few threads here (often started by Chris) documenting "family values" failures of the right. I don't believe I've noticed any about the lack of civil discourse from the left directed against conservative women and, for that matter, conservative blacks.

ET, I hate to say this, but your argument sounds like one most of us tried to make to protect ourselves when we were children. We would go in and when a parent challenged or forbade us to do something, we would say, "But Johnny did it." "Susie's mom didn't stop her from using that word." The dog won't hunt that says that Limbaugh should get a pass on this. Frankly, I had never heard of the other examples toward Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann because the sources mentioned don't get much attention at all. Limbaugh is a different story. I'm not fond of their "poor choice of words" either.

[Gene Scarborough]

Cathy---

I am just as upset as you with the calous and uncaring attitude of ET and could not have said it any better.

If ET has a wife, I hope she reads his post so true retribution takes place for him and his smirk over a jerk long overdue for a good butt busting from those of us who still have some sanity and prefer love over hate.

[ET]

"Not the words I would have chosen" In other words I agree with the overall message? What a bankrupt response! The overall message was vile. Read George Will's response.

Women are being galvanized by these responses.

ET do you believe Limbaugh's behavior was repugnant or not. Do you support Limbaugh and feel he has a right to say such vile things about a private citizen? Or ET do you want to say you agree with Limbaugh?

Limbaugh was out of bounds as he has acknowledged. Definitely something for which he rightfully deserved condemnation. As for your synopsis of events, it was not an ongoing 3-day bash-fest as you state and he didn't continue to trash her, at least from the parts of the show I heard on subsequent days. "vile and showed his own very base nature".....puh-lease , two words do not constitute evidence to make a judgement on someone's overall character as you do. In the Christian view of things, we're all vile and have a very base nature. Limbaugh let his get on on national radio. The rest of us benefit from largely being able to hide our vileness and base nature to the rest of the world.

In the end, he damaged the argument he was trying to make and now it's been overshadowed by the fuss over two words. Little has been discussed of the Constitutional matter at the heart of the argument, which portends to strip away First Amendment protections in the name of political opportunism.

But..."Women are being galvanized by these responses."? What women? How many? "Women" are not some homogenous group walking in lockstep. I didn't realize the Democrat party was the mouthpiece of "women".....sure didn't take them long to fire off a fundraising letter.

ET, I hate to say this, but your argument sounds like one most of us tried to make to protect ourselves when we were children. We would go in and when a parent challenged or forbade us to do something, we would say, "But Johnny did it." "Susie's mom didn't stop her from using that word." The dog won't hunt that says that Limbaugh should get a pass on this. Frankly, I had never heard of the other examples toward Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann because the sources mentioned don't get much attention at all. Limbaugh is a different story. I'm not fond of their "poor choice of words" either.

Nope, Dave, not trying to make a "but Johnny did it" argument, only point out that for all the outrage over Limbaugh's remarks, there's a rather lenghthy list of similar attacks on conservative women (and blacks) that don't garner nearly as much attention. I never argued - and won't - that Limbaugh should get a pass.

[Cathy]

It was not "two little words". Quit saying "two words" if you want anyone to take you seriously. He said the two words, he described her walking (not that he would know how she walks) and said why she walked that way, He insisted that she should send videos. And if he said it once in several cases he said it three times.

It was over three days. If you watch the videos he has on different shirts and it has been reported as three days in news articles. If I'm wrong maybe it was two. But I think I'm right about three days.

No we don't hide our base nature just because we don't talk on the radio. ET, you and I don't say anything that bad about anyone. I don't and I assume you don't. I don't even think that way about anyone. If I listened to Rush I might start thinking like that.

But I am relieved that you do think it was wrong and he deserved condemnation.

I think I am now signing off this topic.

[ET]

It was not "two little words". Quit saying "two words" if you want anyone to take you seriously. He said the two words, he described her walking (not that he would know how she walks) and said why she walked that way, He insisted that she should send videos. And if he said it once in several cases he said it three times.

It was over three days. If you watch the videos he has on different shirts and it has been reported as three days in news articles. If I'm wrong maybe it was two. But I think I'm right about three days.

No we don't hide our base nature just because we don't talk on the radio. ET, you and I don't say anything that bad about anyone. I don't and I assume you don't. I don't even think that way about anyone. If I listened to Rush I might start thinking like that.

But I am relieved that you do think it was wrong and he deserved condemnation.

I think I am now signing off this topic.

Cathy, I say two words because in almost all of the discussion I gave seen that that has been the focus of the uproar. I realize the discussion of the issue went on for multiple days, but I don't think the "attack" went on for 3 days. I wasn't continually tuned in for all of last week, but I knew that once it hit the fan in the media, it would be all over the place, so I listened in for most of the week....there was plenty of discussion in subsequent days about the original comments, but I think any subsequent times he mentioned the offending comments was in bringing listeners up to speed if they missed out. I know the tongue-in-cheek nature of the send-videos comment and also the walking comment (for years an ongoing bit of satirical humor aimed at feminists who find the wind changing directions as reason enough to call him a "woman hater").

And it's not really a matter of whether or not we say such things. It's that we have the potential to say them with our sin nature. Some are better at controlling it than others. After all, James warns us about the damage the tongue can do. Limbaugh has found that out since he has basically covered up the Constitutional issue with which he was concerned by the choice of words he used to launch into her.

Likewise, I think I am signing off this topic.

[Gene Scarborough]

Here is an article worth reading for the people with a "hate" motivation:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/09/1053088/-An-open-letter-to-the-people-who-hate-Obama-more-than-they-love-America

Now that you have thrown everything and the kitchen sink at President Obama and it still hasn't worked you are panicking. Obama's approval ratings are still near 50% despite your best efforts to undermine the economy and America's recovery at every step you can. You tried to hold the American economy hostage to force America into default on its' debts, debts that YOU rang up under Bush, so you could blame it on Obama and it failed. You've used the filibuster more than any other Congress ever, going so far as to vote against providing health care access to 9/11 first responders. You remember 9/11, don't you, it's that thing you used to lie us into a war in Iraq, and then when Obama killed Bin Laden and ended the war in Iraq you told people that he hates America and wants the troops to fail. You monsters. You hate Obama with a passion, despite the fact that he is a tax cutting, deficit reducing war President who undermines civil rights and delivers corporate friendly watered down reforms that benefit special interests just like a Republican. You call him a Kenyan. You call him a socialist. You dance with your hatred singing it proudly in the rain like it was a 1950's musical.

Frankly, you disgust me. Your hatred nauseates me. Your bigotry offends me. Your racism revolts me.

Dear haters, I am openly questioning your patriotism.

I think you hate gays, Obama, black people, poor people, all of us, women, atheists and agnostics, Latinos, Muslims, Liberals, all of us, I think you hate every one who isn't exactly like you, and I think you hate us more than you love your country.

This is just an appetizer for something I hope gets wide reading IMMEDIATELY!

[Neil Heath]

I haven't seen many things with as much hate directed toward people who hate. Sort of a pot and kettle thing, I guess, but the writer pretty much shot himself in the foot by stooping to the level he accused the other side of using. It was painful to read.

[Haruo]

I haven't seen many things with as much hate directed toward people who hate. Sort of a pot and kettle thing, I guess, but the writer pretty much shot himself in the foot by stooping to the level he accused the other side of using. It was painful to read.

That's pretty much the way it struck me. I'm not immune to such stooping, either, as I recently showed. I can empathize with the writer, but that is not a helpful way to vent. IMO.

[ET]

Gotta love how the word "hate" has been redefined over these last 5-7 years. It now applies to anyone with whom you have differences in opinion.

Appears I need to modify Dennis Prager's thoughts on these matters to include "hate":

"Beginning in the 1960s, liberalism, once the home of many deep thinkers, began to substitute feeling for thought and descended into superficiality. One-word put-downs of opponents' ideas and motives were substituted for thoughtful rebuttal. Though liberals regard themselves as intellectual—their views, after all, are those of nearly all university professors—liberal thought has almost died. Instead of feeling the need to thoughtfully consider an idea, most liberal minds today work on automatic. One-word reactions to most issues are the liberal norm... Here is a list of terms liberals apply to virtually every idea or action with which they differ: Racist, Sexist, Homophobic, Islamophobic, Imperialist, Bigoted, Intolerant. And here is the list of one-word descriptions of what liberals are for: Peace, Fairness, Tolerance, The poor, The disenfranchised, The environment. These two lists serve contemporary liberals in at least three ways. First, they attack the motives of non-liberals and thereby morally dismiss the non-liberal person. Second, these words make it easy to be a liberal—essentially all one needs to do is to memorize this brief list and apply the right term to any idea or policy... Third, they make the liberal feel good about himself—by opposing conservative ideas and policies, he is automatically opposing racism, bigotry, imperialism, etc. Examples could fill a book."

Add the article above as another example to fill that book.

P.S. "Deficit reducing war President"?????? Could one be more detached from reality?

[Cathy]

Wasn't going to get back into this but just for completeness I want to drop this link.

It is Steven Colberts response to Rush. It includes dates Rush talks about her. I have to admit it wasn't three days it was four.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/0 ... ebyuserrec

This is not where I got my three day account from. I haven't gone back to find the first mention but did see the video on the news with three different shirts at least. After my contention that it was three days I also ran into Ms Quinn's (Washington Post) post on the subject and she said three days. I won't link that but I am sure anyone that wants to see it can find it.

[Haruo]

Thanks, Cathy, that was both amusing and informative. I hadn't seen the original footage of Rush, and I hadn't seen Colbert.

[Gene Scarborough]

I look on the article I shared as a "shot across the bow" of Republican Conservatism. Sometimes it takes a George Patton approach = put it loud and put it dirty and they will get it!

Like the rest of you, I don't ever want to get into the gutter, but sometimes it takes just that. My wife calls it "tree talk," but when you work with the kind of men I do it is not wise to divulge your clerical credentials at the beginning of a job!

I undersand that Kion Greek used in Jesus day was similar = language of the street. I have often wondered if Matthew 23 when he zeroed in on the fakery of the Pharisees was cleaned up a whole bunch. If "SOB" (Sweet Old Bob for the PC folks) was ever to be used by Jesus to communicate, it would have been right there as he flailed the Moneychangers from the Temple porch.

If words didn't get the message across, then actions certainly did! The problem with the CR Takeover is that most preachers don't know how to treat a junkyard dog = shoot him between the eyes before he grabs you by the arm and won't let go!

We have the same problem with Tea Party Republicans these days and sweet martiarcal Barbera Bush put is simple recently: "This is the worst Primary Campaign I have ever seen!"

[David Flick]

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Somehow, I'm not surprised at ET's comment above.

When there is no climate change nor global warming, it's easy to ignore the hate in Limbaugh's declaration!!!

Whoever said there is no climate change or global warming?

David Flick.

Read my reply in the global warming thread...