Gene Scarborough wrote:Great idea, Dave!
My good friend at New Bern First, Steve Fitzgerald, is a generous Senior Pastor who gives his 2 associates a chance at the pulpit at least every 2 months. One is a preacher's daughter and ALWAYS brings a thoughtful and well-presented message.
Their service is broadcast out of Channel 12 New Bern and is widely seen in these parts. Somehow, I can't imagine Charles Stanley letting any female associate have the chance!!!!
Ed: Charles Stanley has female associates? Since When?
But Gene on a more serious note what other pastoral duties do the 2 Ladies at New Bern cover?
And Dave over on the 1st page of this thread you wrote: "I don't see a lot of success from the top down approach. My suspicion is that CBFMO may one day regret the approach they have taken. A lot of churches I have dealt with over the years never offered a dime for travel or anything else when I made a trip for an interview. I see this as something bubbling from the bottom up in Baptist life, and happening slowly. Yet, it is happening, no matter what the SBC may say, and some of those involved feel very deeply that it has been a moving of God's Spirit."
I do not see the Missouri proposal as being a top down approach. To me that phrase implies the top level of an organization is exerting pressure on lower levels. Even in ABP's story (which I see as a bit slanted) there is no suggestion of pressure from the top for churches to accept the offer of help to bring in female candidates.
I have an Idea that CBF Mo., may be influenced some what buy their ABC-USA cohorts in their state, who do have successful female pastors as well as males. I would suggest that it may be beneficial for Search committees who have not been exposed to preaching by women to visit one or more of those churches, making clear that they are not there to steal the pastor. On such a visit I would suggest they not only attend the preaching service but attend the S.S. classes and perhaps arrange a conversation with the preacher of the day and a few members to talk about how it is to have a woman as pastor.
Of course It is a bit difficult for me to imagine a CBF Church or even a CBF friendly SBC church where the search committee has not been exposed to Women Preachers at State or National CBF Assemblies.
And speaking of ABC-USA, some of our regions conduct Face to Face
events wherein Churches seeking a Pastor and Pastors seeking a Church meet in one place for a day and every Pastor is interviewed by 5 committees and each committee interviews at least 5 Pastors including at least one female.
Trudy and I attended two of these in PA. and She attended one alone in Indiana. That is 15 interviews with no offers but only in two did she feel they where simply fulfilling the obligation. She has said that she learned something from each. 10 of these 5 in Pa and the 5 in Indiana where while she was interim for a year and a half at Latham here in NY, winch was her first pastoral experience. And a few of the committees did hold out a carrot, saying that if some time in the future after she had three or more years in a settled pastorate she should hear they again seeing a pastor, to give them another shot.
And a couple admitted to some trepidation about her SBC background but saw her participation in CBF as a balance to that.
Pastoral candidates attending these events pay their own expediences and the church they represent covers the expenses of the committees.
I want to add that although the Mercer Preaching Consolation last week was great, I was disappointed that Coleen was the only female preacher on the preaching program. A couple young ladies who are students at McAfee did make announcements and introductions. I did talk with one recent Mercer/McAfee female Grad who is an associate pastor at a large old established Georgia church, which is pastored by a classmate of Bruce and I at SBTS in the early 90's . I would guess that the average age of the attendees has dropped 10 to 12 years since we where last there in 2005, even with Milburn Price. Peter Rhey Jones Jr and I, holding up the upper end of the spectrum.