Global Warming Thread IX

[KeithE]

[David Flick]

[David Flick]

[KeithE]

[Stephen Fox]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

No fresh Air

[KeithE]

[David Flick]

[Jim]

For the folks who insist that this summer’s recent temperatures mean that the earth is simply on a melting trend need to look at what happened in Britain during the past winter to see that only worldwide anomalies over a period of time amount to anything, not cherry-picked local events. This was published by the Telegraph in January: . The worldwide cooling trend has been in effect for over a decade now, according to reliable data and reliable climatologists, not the CRU/IPCC folks who have a vested interest in stoking the global-disaster fires caused by man. Nobody believes that stuff anymore...or at least very few.

[KeithE]

Oh yeah, David, they are all manipulated, all ten indicators each with multiple independent data sets. All of your "here here here here' links and the counterattack on the multiply-attributed article about the first half of 2010 being the hottest ever, are from the denialist camp (eg. Climate Depot, New American). They do not provide counterdata, they just declare "the data is manipulated" maybe finding a localized (in space or time or both) instant that they can fake their adoring constitituency with, but the long term, global trends (since 1900) tell the real truth coupled with the growth in ghg's

and the well founded fact of ghg's absorption. As a world population we cannot continue using our air and our oceans as dumping grounds.

Get some sleep, you need it. Ditto, Jim. Then read some real science about GW not filtered through your denialist sources.

[David Flick]

[Howard V]

Just an observation from Huntsville, AL. We are having rather hot temps daily - bumping 99 and 100 F. And we have been having temps in the 90s for a good while and they are being predicted to continue there for some time.

However, we are setting very few records for the hottest daily temps. Almost without exception the hottest days happened a good while ago, a whole bunch of them way back in the 1930s.

Do our hot temps mean we [Earth] are warming? Probably not. I've been reminded on this forum that local temps [cold] are no indication of planetary cooling, so I assume our current hot temps are no sign of any real warming trend - though it is warm [make that HOT] right here right now.

Howard

[KeithE]

[Ed Edwards]

Howard V: || However, we are setting very few records for the hottest daily temps. Almost without exception the hottest days happened a good while ago, a whole bunch of them way back in the 1930s.

Howard V: || Do our hot temps mean we [Earth] are warming? Probably not. ||

Jan-June 2010 has been the hottest on earth for the first six months - ever, since data starts in 1880. Strangely, where I was was AVERAGE. Again, where I live in Exciting Central Oklahoma USA, has average weather not normal (as in climate). Average is the numerically computed number (as in tempature) so far. Under El Nino conditions (only monitored the last 20 years or so) we have different 'climate' then when El Nino is changeing places with La Nina conditions. I said all that to say this:

Jan-June 2010 in Central Oklahoma (yes, and Enid, where David lives & works) has been AVERAGE.
The 'hot' spots of the earth are the North Polar regions and half the Antartic Regions. Here 'hot' means 'warmer than usual'. I recall once (I think Dec 1983-Jan 1984, there was a week where the high all week was +15ºF (-10ºC). A 'hot front' came through making the days clear up to freezing: 32ºF (0ºC) . that 'warm spell' was +10ºC. Global warming 2001-2009 (compared to 1901-2000 - 20th Century) was only about +0.68ºC

[KeithE]

[Ed Edwards]

[Jim]

[David Flick]

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[David Flick]

[David Flick]

[KeithE]

[Jim]

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