Global Warming Thread VIII

[David Flick]

[Ed Edwards]

Interesting picture ...

In light of the three links on page 2,
Looks like to me the title should be:

Sen Jim Inhofe, R OK, being a Rush Limbaugh Groupie

As for me and my House, we will go by what the Bible says and not what the agnostic Rush Limbaugh sez.
Strange how Rush got so many of the Religious Right to support him?

[David Flick]

[KeithE]

Truth is David the globally averaged temp for this calendar year is above the high year of 1998 by about 0.2C. Varies slighly from month to month: . True also for your beloved's satellite based measurements at which you still have not acknowledged reading and using.

Plot that on your plot and you will see the IPCC projections given in 1998 are more correct (now at least) than Easterbrooks'.

Truth is also this was presented at a Heartland Insititute conference which is definitely a denialist group; and as usch it was not peer-reviewed across a spectrum of major scientists/climatologists - only this politically driven group of mostly retired professors in mostly non-related fields. Dr. Easterbrook's real expertise before becoming Emeritus status was geology and geomorphology (read his resume/publications). Some work in glaciology in the 2000's but zilch as a climatologist/global warming scientist.

[David Flick]

[Ed Pettibone]

Ed: David, KeithE has been out of the hospital less than a week and had to go back to work immediately , let him rest.
But I am with you on the GW stuff.

[KeithE]

[KeithE]

[Sandy]

I don't call the stuff David quotes "denialist." I call it "junk science." There's a new word floating around for head in the sand, lack of reality, denial of the facts kind of stuff. It's being called "Palinesque."

[Jim]

One year ago this month, the big climate news came from Germany and had to do with the fact that the tropics reached to both the North and South Pole some 47 million years ago, give or take a few millennia…without help from homo sapiens, one assumes, or steam engines or autos or jet planes or coal mines or oil rigs or even the torrid air emitted from Algore, the IPCC, and the self-discredited gang that put forth the “hockey stick” as the current equivalent of Moses’ rod. A few words upon the subject: .

[Howard V]

That is some Ode, Jim. Thanks! It ought to help us keep things in focus - but it probably will not.

Howard

[KeithE]

[Ed Edwards]

[Ed Edwards]

BTW, about 250 MYA (million years ago) +/- 40 million -- what is now the state of Oklahoma was on the equator. What is now the bottom of the gulf of mexico (think oil spill) was a shallow sea filling that sea with lots of rotten veggies - which over the course of 250 Million years turned into the oil BP is not pumping to Florida The Gulf of Mexico to be got veggies from the great shields of now Eastern Brazil and Western Africa

for the fundie still reading this board: recommend using the Paelo-geological charts instead of Genesis for finding more oil to exploit, more Natural Gas to burn, more heat to add to the earth. Reccoment using this text for what 'wise' means:

Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightnesse of the firmament, and they that turne many to righteousnesse, as the starres for euer and euer.

Yes, he that winneth souls is still wise; she who is wise still winneth souls.

[Ed Edwards]

correction: that would be the Guyana Shield of what is now northern South America instead of the Brazilian Shield.

[David Flick]

[Jim]

[KeithE]

[Jim]

[Jim]

KE: The coastlines and our inhabitation near them is the issue Jim.

J: One more time. You obviously have decided that there were no oceans and other bodies of water during the time involved (all evaporated if ever present, making it hard or just different with respect to flora and fauna and any sort of primate needing a drink now and then, though by your lights incapable of inhabiting any part of the earth), though there must have been something between the Arctic and Antarctic Circles and their respective Poles besides ice in those temps. If you have no data supporting that, consider that the countries in the tropics today have well-defined and well-documented coastlines, interiors filled with gazillions of people under no threat of massive drowning and with plenty of inland water, not to mention actual survival in those temps.

[KeithE]

[Ed Edwards]

Dan 12:4 (KJV1611 Edition, e-sword.com edition):
But thou, O Daniel, shut vp the wordes, and seale the booke euen to the time of the ende: many shall runne to and fro, and knowledge shall bee increased.

Jim: // Egad! People have been running to and fro and knowledge has been increased for millennia. Do you suppose the end has already come and we missed it? \\

I do not ascribe to the a-millennial viewpoint but your statement is a pretty good definition for the a-mill. x-millennial viewpoints relate the Second Coming of our Lord and Savior Messiah Jesus to the Millennial Messanic Reign of Jesus on the Throne of David. I just cannot see any thing but a physical & literal Second Coming of our Lord and Savior Messiah Jesus before a physical & literal Millennial Messanic Reign of Jesus.

Believing in the pre-millennial viewpoint, I think we aught to save some of earth's oil for the folks on earth during the time of a physical & literal Millennial Messanic Reign of Jesus. Amen.

[David Flick]

[KeithE]

There is so much falsity in what you have written into post above, I merely want to say - my rejoinders to most all of these falsities have been posted before. I have far more important things to do with my life that repeatably correct the uncorrectable David Flick and his denialist sources. Try reading for the truth and straightfoward answers to denialist arguments.

BTW it is not Spencer's blog I want to you to study, it's his DATA at . As always, follow the directions.

David, your cohorts are threatening real scientists.

[Bruce Gourley]