Tim Bonney wrote:William Thornton wrote:
Timothy, I'm getting the feeling that you just don't know much about Calvinism and the SBC and are relying on outdated stereotypes.
No, I don't think so William. I was in the ABC a long time which is mostly Arminian but I studied theology under Reformed professors in college. I've read a lot of Reformed theology. I've known a lot of 5 point Calvinist over the years but most of them were independent Baptists. I didn't know any 5 pointers in the SBC when I was there. (Well maybe one.)
I don't think it isn't that I don't know much about Calvinism. I can recite TULIP and tell you quite about about Calvin's views of salvation, sovereignty, etc. And I"ve had plenty of conversations with my IB friends.
The deal is that I don't believe Calvinism fundamentally makes sense, or that it is Biblical, or that you can actually be a consistant Calvinist and be evangelistic. That being said, much of SBC Calvinism in my years there was inconsistant because it wasn't 5 point Calvinism. My experience was that the SBC folks tended to take what they liked of Calvin (eternal security being the big favorite) and ignore the parts of the theory that didn't jive with their deisre to reach people for Christ. And that never surprised me.
What surprised me is self proclaimed five pointers who also some how manage to dance on Calvins Institutes and still claim the need to be evangelistic. It doesn't make much sense theologically or even logically for that matter. So I can't see the point in believing it. Why not just read the Bible and say "whosoever belives in me shall not perish." John 3:16b ???
I'm not saying you aren't familiar with Calvinism just the New Calvinists in the SBC. They are no less evangelistic than non-Cs, which isn't saying a whole lot, and many are far more evangelistic than the average. Calvinists, inexplicably to you I suppose, are quite involved in church planting in the SBC.
You've been out of the SBC for quite some years (although listening to me probably makes you more informed than the average SBC pastor ) and don't sound as if you are up-to-date on this matter.
I'm not sure where this reactionary movement against Calvinism will go but it will probably be an expression of good old fashioned fundyism...always looking for a good excuse to fracture.