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William Thornton wrote:The last few years, I got the impression that Land was part talk radio personality and part pundit. Like a lot of folks, he's been in DC too long.
BTeditor wrote:I'm certainly no defender of Land, and neither am I piling on here. Rather I'm seeking to provide some analysis of the situation. While I fully trust my friend's much longer and deeper personal experiences with Land, I don't doubt he had some venom to spew. However, I'll stick with the belief that his spewing mostly has to do with a consuming desire to be a major political player and a big-time radio host.
BTeditor wrote:Tim- He actually appears rather often on various news shows during the more heated political times (GOP debates, Romney v. Obama media spats, etc.). So he's gotten some broader exposure — esp in recent months.
His publicist sends me (and other media) messages a couple of times a week stating the upcoming TV/radio shows on which he'll appear.
His usefulness to the media has increased as he's become a more strident voice. Those pre-interviewing for news shows don't book calm, rational centrists.
BTeditor wrote:Actually, he's appeared on several networks over the last few months. But that seems to have stopped. Apparently something to do with a lowly blogger in Texas stirring up trouble for him.
Sandy wrote:I think Land has always been striving for a higher place in the Republican party, or in some Republican presidential administration, but he's not a big enough fish to attract that kind of attention. He's attempted to capitalize on the ignorance of non-Baptist political conservatives about the SBC, making them think that he speaks for "16 million people in the nation's largest Protestant denomination." Most people don't realize that half of those people never show up for church, and only about two thirds of the rest are actually eligible to vote. If voter registration percentages among SBC church members ran just a bit higher than normal, that means that perhaps 4 million Southern Baptist adults are voters, and as many as 40% of them vote Democrat. A lot of the political pundits also don't realize that Land doesn't speak for any other Baptist, officially, and that's one of the finer points of SBC polity.
Land is a Republican political wannabe who will never be.
Sandy wrote:If voter registration percentages among SBC church members ran just a bit higher than normal, that means that perhaps 4 million Southern Baptist adults are voters, and as many as 40% of them vote Democrat.
Blake wrote:Sandy wrote:If voter registration percentages among SBC church members ran just a bit higher than normal, that means that perhaps 4 million Southern Baptist adults are voters, and as many as 40% of them vote Democrat.
40% in my experience would be a very very high estimate, but maybe there's more diversity of political opinion in SBC churches in the South than what I've previously given credit for. Of the many SBC churches I've visited in IA, MN, WI and IN I'd be surprised if even 5% of the church goers voted Democrat.
Big Daddy Weaver wrote:How about this for nuance, Ed: The experience of Southern Baptists in Indiana is probably more "typical" compared to the experience of Southern Baptists in the "South" (which Texas is in, even if their identity is Texan first) than that of Southern Baptists in Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesota.
The point is that the relationship between culture and politics, religion and politics among Southern Baptists in the South (where the overwhelming majority still reside) is different than that Southern Baptists residing in "pioneer" states.
There are still Democrats in Southern Baptist churches. They might not vote for Obama. But they are more like Zig Zag Zell Miller. There are still some Democrats in SBC pews who support Democratic candidates for state-wide, local, and even Congressional offices to the tune of a percentage much higher than 5% but a handful of points less than 40%, IMO.
Sandy wrote:The ERLC wasn't created to represent the "majority" political opinion of Southern Baptists, nor to help them determine for whom they would vote. It is to represent the interests of Baptists with regard to issues of religious liberty and Christian ethics. Land has made it a personal political launching pad and a place to influence votes, but I doubt very seriously whether one in a hundred Southern Baptists would recognize the name, and even if they did, would pay attention to what he has to say.
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