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Allied Defense Fund and Abortion Politics

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:46 am

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... _theories/

I do not understand why Dr. Thornton blocked the Abortion thread. It is ripe full of current information on abortion politics including a link to David Gushee's recent Conference at Mercer.

The latest round of abortion discussion goes to the heart of Richard Land's game Plan in collusion with Karl Rove for the SBC Vote and turnout in the National election.

Dr. Thorton has been a long suffering friend to me on this board and I appreciate it. But I would hope he would be less intimidated by my information supply and links here to a topic that goes to the heart of what continues to be fallout of the SBC Takeover, and is now key to this election cycle in the passion of SBC leaders Land, and Charles Pickering of the Allied Defense Fund and their world at www.americanthinker.com
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Re: Allied Defense Fund and Abortion Politics

Postby William Thornton » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:31 pm

Stephen Fox wrote: I do not understand why Dr. Thornton blocked the Abortion thread. It is ripe full of current information on abortion politics including a link to David Gushee's recent Conference at Mercer.


Do you read your PMs Stephen? I locked it because I don't want you to drag up ancient topics where you are the only one participating.

You've started a new one. Good. Let's see if anyone wants to participate.
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Lifeway Pink Bible, the Bushes, and ADF

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:28 pm

http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/7115/53/

See comment at end of ABP article. Besure to load backword to first comment by Yours truly
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College Chaplains and the Hookup Culture

Postby Stephen Fox » Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:36 pm

Must be tough to be a Chaplain on campus these days with the Allied Defense Fund and Nelson Price and the Caner brothers breathing down your neck.
I wonder What Price does with unauthorized coitus at Shorter?

Here are others trying to do their best. See the companion piece on Hookups in the Print issue

http://www.christiancentury.org/article ... urage-date
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Now Mitt playing Nixon card with ADF

Postby Stephen Fox » Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:43 pm

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Re: Allied Defense Fund and Abortion Politics

Postby Sandy » Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:38 am

There are many times when I read some of your posts, Stephen, that it takes a while to figure out what you're getting at. You've really thrown me off track on this thread, with your statement about Nelson Price and Shorter. Why don't you summarize in one place, and then see what kind of response you get? Sometimes a response helps me clarify what you're talking about. I don't get what you're getting at here, there's nothing in what you've linked that seems to fit together.
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Re: Allied Defense Fund and Abortion Politics

Postby William Thornton » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:00 pm

Here's the deal, Stephen.

When you start a topic with a link but don't exerpt anything from it to comment on or to generate discussion here, it is dead in the forum water. If you are the only one commenting to yourself, people stay away.

Some instruction, er, advice: Don't start a topic with a naked link and then be the only one commenting. If you are I'll lock or delete it. The place for your naked linkfest is your blog, not here.

Give that some thought.
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Re: Allied Defense Fund and Abortion Politics

Postby Gene Scarborough » Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:03 pm

I, too, get tired of the linkfest and constant tempest in a teapot!

Sorry, Stephen, but when you start expressing your personal view over some bunch of links, I will gladly engage you. :)
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Casey Mattox "Hissy Fit"

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:10 pm

http://blog.telladf.org/2012/02/02/plan ... -time-out/

I have known Casey since I was his 6th grade teacher in Alabama. I have known to have some Hissy fits of his own.
Just today I talked to a regional TV news reporter hoping he would contact Casey and BJC's Cherilyn Crowe; two natives of Dekalb County Alabama on this matter.
It goes to the heart, Casey's right wing views here, to several feature discussions now up at ABP news, and David Gushee's Mercer colloquy last week.
I hope this comes to the attention of Bruce Gourley in case William Thornton and Gene Scarborough fail to see the merit of this ongoing discussion, and Casey's position in the titanic struggle for the political soul of Baptists.

Here is the response I submitted to Casey's blog

Casey Mattox loses the ultimate argument about contraception and planned parenthood even in his peer group in his hometown of Collinsville, Alabama. Among his friends who went to UVA and Duke, one to Yale Div School, and others to Habitat for Humanity Casey is hard pressed to be in the majority.
The larger context of the writings of Christine Stansell in New Republic, and Jill Lepore's grand piece recently on Planned Parenthood in the New Yorker shows just how weak Casey's hissy fit is in larger context.
All this not to mention, Al Mohler, Charles Pickering and Casey's life long failure to engage Cynthia Gorney's piece Parsing the Politics of Abortion.
Casey's Dekalb County, Alabama is now home of State Senator Shadrack McGill who is reported to be headlong toward introducing a personhood amendment in the Bama legislature. I hope when the Ft. Payne Times-Journal calls on Casey, they will also call the Baptist Joint Committee's Cherilyn Crowe of Ft. Payne on this matter.
A little comity and perpsective is needed before Pickering and Mattox do for America what fundamentalism did to the Southern Baptist Convention
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Another postion key to this conversation

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:40 pm

Is Sarah Posner on Romney and The Catholic vote

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispa ... _coverage/

Cokie Roberts took exception to Obama on the specifics of the Catholic Inst question saying it was politically tin eared to punish Notre Dame ten million dollars annually to make a point.
Still Diane Rehm explored it all last week on NPR.

My point is the likes of Baptists Today, Christian Ethics Today and ethicsdaily.com should begin an earnest campaign exploring the lesser vision of Allied Defense Fund and its resonance with SBaps in the pew. To that end some remedial history on Charles Pickering is in order.
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Re: Allied Defense Fund and Abortion Politics

Postby Gene Scarborough » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:38 pm

Stephen---

While I want to engage and have decent discussions with you---this kind of thing does little to gain you respect nor a listening ear.

Here is the problem: you name-dropping and links might be impressive to some, but it does next to nothing for me.

I think the purpose of this entire website is to give intelligent and decent people a forum for good discussion (pro and con) on any given issue. We have a good mix of people sharing their ideas = THEIR IDEAS!!!

If you persist on dropping names and ideas from links, it gains you nothing but disrespect and ignoring of your discussion with yourself.

I'm in no way putting you down. I am just encouraging you to quit the old ways and help us solve problems with an intelligent input coming from your own creative brain over there in good old 'Bama land!!! :)
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Gene it is folks like YOU

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:44 pm

And sometimes Thornton who stand in the way of enlightenment.
I like Thornton and do my best to tolerate you.
You make this board most off putting, less than a joy than it is when you aren't so stalking and, well in the most pleasant language I can think of: You stink it up quite often.

Most of your pontificating is old news, has been hashed and rehashed in articles and thinking I waded through ten years ago.
I come across well thought out pieces and link them here to provoke advanced and up to date conversation.
Instead you and drag Thornton into a personality cult back and forth that is no good for anyone.

You should post less and read more. Follow Sandy's lead and before him Jonathan. We both are convinced they are on the wrong side of the fundamentalist takeover, but I be darned they are much easier to get along with than you are.
I'd rather eat BBQ with either of them before being in your presence.

The Tree stumps are getting to your socialability IQ
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To Sandy

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:49 pm

Sandy wrote:There are many times when I read some of your posts, Stephen, that it takes a while to figure out what you're getting at. You've really thrown me off track on this thread, with your statement about Nelson Price and Shorter. Why don't you summarize in one place, and then see what kind of response you get? Sometimes a response helps me clarify what you're talking about. I don't get what you're getting at here, there's nothing in what you've linked that seems to fit together.


I had good context for these latest links in the other abortion thread Thornton decided to lock.
If you follow the links, you will see where Casey's ADF piece morphs into the SBC Takeover where Charles Pickering coincides.
Lot of my randomness assumes a certain amount of basic SBC takeover knowledge. When folks like Gourley and Aaron Weaver don't frequent the discussion, it leaves me with dawgs like Scarborough refusing to read anything since the Death of God days at Emory in late 60's and me with the frustrating task of remedial education.
But thanks for your concern.
ABPnews.com has several pieces lately and there has been a barrage of abortion discussion. I have tirelessly tried to get folks on this board to read the Jill Lepore piece on PParenthood in the New Yorker.
Background reading and we can refine some points. Otherwise we waste each others times molesting positions we were discussing 6 years ago
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Re: Allied Defense Fund and Abortion Politics

Postby William Thornton » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:33 pm

Let's drop it guys.
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Re: Allied Defense Fund and Abortion Politics

Postby Gene Scarborough » Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:39 am

Great idea, William!!!! :D
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Thornton and Martin Marty have good points

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:02 pm

Thornton on annoying comments here on the board; the weight of evidence faults one party, but the overriding point is strong, way past time to move on.

So back to the discussion at hand. Martin Marty advances the conversation for the latest "hissy fit" coming from SBC Peace Committee Charles Pickering's Allied Defense Fund. Peggy Noonan accents some of what even Cokie Roberts was concerned about; though Thousand Points of Light Peg often makes me nauseous

http://www.ethicsdaily.com/some-controv ... -cms-19225

And this tweak, Donna Brazille and James Dunn are great friends.
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Land's overlooked world

Postby Stephen Fox » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:25 pm

This woulda been better served for your edification in the Southern Bap Women....but my friend Thornton locked it. So for all of you who hold the Baptist faith and the Girl Scouts in regard--Land does not cause of alleged association to PParenthood--larger influence of the Girl Scout Handbook from NPR stellar review couple days ago:

Tupelo Hassman writes with such an eye for rough-and-tough detail, she obviously knows something about kids who have been given the dubious gift of premature autonomy. The narrator of her curious debut novel, Girlchild, is a trailer trash tyke named Rory Dawn Hendrix. Rory tells us her alcoholic mom, whom she idolizes, had four children by the time she was 19; Rory is her fifth. The pair live outside Reno, Nev., in a trailer paid for by Mom's jobs as a bartender, keno runner, and change girl at the casinos. Rory is left home alone a lot and, when she's not watching reruns of M*A*S*H or Family Ties or hiding from the boogeymen, real or imagined, banging on the trailer door, she's reading.

Like many a wise child before her, Rory finds consolation in books: her Bible of choice is a tattered old copy of The Girl Scout Handbook. The trailer park doesn't have a troop, but Rory constitutes a fearsome pack of one; she even awards herself her own homemade badges. Here, for instance, is one in a long list of Rory's requirements for the "proficiency badge [in] puberty":


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Release time for Creationism in Gadsden Alabama

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:02 pm

Home of Judge Roy Moore

Not exactly abortion politics but well within the purview of the Allied Defense Fund. Made statewide NPR this week and certainly more to follow. WBHM.org interviewed church state expert from UVA, Laycock, alma mater of the ADF's Mattox

http://www.wbhm.org/News/2012/GalliherInterview.html
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A Chart for Casey Mattox

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:27 pm

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Here is how it is playing in NE Alabama

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:34 pm

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Diane REhm show Feb 22

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:59 am

Weds 10 am live show to tackle the politics of abortion again. Read the transcript and the comments at the website if you don't call in and participate. If you do name Richard Land as a culprit

http://thedianerehmshow.org/
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Another item for Casey Mattox and the ADF

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:31 am

http://www.religiondispatches.org/archi ... ute_truth/

Inerrancy and Absolute Truth go hand in glove in this Alliance Defense Fund matter
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