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Richard Land On President Obama

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:14 pm

http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/7103/53/

Where is Land on Posner report on Newt Gingrich, or the NPR story on Kris Kobach touring South Carolina with Mitt Romney.

Richard Land.....is little screwed up. Can't shake that Coke Stevenson thing
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Re: Richard Land On President Obama

Postby Dave Roberts » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:07 pm

This just seems typical Land. He wears his Republicanism very publicly.
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Re: Richard Land On President Obama

Postby Sandy » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:47 pm

Lots of assertions, but no evidence. Nothing he's accused the Obama administration of doing has happened. Nothing.
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Land as distinct from Brent Walker

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:06 pm

http://www.bjcpa.org/index.php?option=c ... Itemid=112

Brent has great essay here, the difference between the Baptists of George Truett, and the Land stripe of the John Birch Society

Chuck Warnock has engaged the comments at ABP, and Randall Balmer is aware of the ABP Story on Land.
It is sad a good mind like Sandy's is fogged by this thicket.
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Eunie Smith and Kris Kobach touring S.C. Primary land with Mitt Romney while Land plays his tried and true Fetus show. As Paige Patterson said and I paraphrase, it is working as well as The Inerrancy thing.
It is a wicked twist of hand, this abracadabra Land is trying to mesmerize Southern Baptist with, keeping the eye of the fetus while Pressler's various religious right groups feign victimization while his Exxon buddies shake down the middle class in jesus and the unborn baby's name.
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Re: Richard Land On President Obama

Postby Sandy » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:59 am

Stephen Fox wrote:It is a wicked twist of hand, this abracadabra Land is trying to mesmerize Southern Baptist with, keeping the eye of the fetus while Pressler's various religious right groups feign victimization while his Exxon buddies shake down the middle class in jesus and the unborn baby's name.


That statement is one of the best you've produced, since I've been watching this board. A little grammatical revision, and you've got a great campaign theme here. Sorry, the English teacher in me has come forth.

"It is a wicked twist of hand, this abracadabra with which Land is trying to mesmerize Southern Baptists, keeping the eye of the fetus while most various religious right groups feign victimization and use it to provide support to those who shake down the middle class in Jesus', and the unborn baby's name."

I've got a good friend I'm going to send this to, giving you credit, and we'll see what the reaction is. It may also show up on my blog at some point.

The dilemna for "values voters" in the GOP is a nasty one. Their snipes at President Obama's alleged "war on religion" are either complete fabrications based on assumptions of what they think he might do, but in three years hasn't yet done, or complete and total distortions of what few possible issues might have some relation to religious beliefs. The issue of the birth control clause being a hill on which to die for religious liberty, and the telling of Catholics to "go to Hell" by mandating it, according to Bishop Zubic of Pittsburgh, is grasping at straws. What do you do with the millions of Catholics who buy private insurance with birth control coverage?

On the other hand, how do you proclaim values and vote for a two-time adulterer who abandoned his wedding vows twice "in sickness" and in addition to having a mistress and pressing for an "open marriage," committed ethics violations and stepped down to avoid prosecution? Sure, if he sincerely repented and asked, he was forgiven. But I think Newt has to publicly acknowledge the same should apply to Bill Clinton, and his followers must grant the same courtesy. It's clear they don't and that makes them hypocrites. The other choices are a Mormon whose religious beliefs do not reflect the same kind of "values" we are talking, a Catholic who doesn't have a snowball's chance on a hot stove of winning either the nomination or the election, and a libertarian who has values consistent with those who claim to vote that way, but who is not supported by the big money interests that are trying to buy the nomination for Romney.

The only "values" represented by the GOP have to do with the dollar, not with anything related to Christian morality. This stuff from Land, and from many other so-called, self-appointed "leaders" of the religious right is clear proof that they are interested in selling out their beliefs to chase after the bucks. They are pitiful peons, bobbing and scurrying along behind the one percenters with tissues and toilet paper, hoping to blow their noses for them and wipe their rear ends, and for a few scraps to fall from the table.
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Re: Richard Land On President Obama

Postby William Thornton » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:13 am

Land and the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission is mostly irrelevant these days, even among Southern Baptists. Baptist Press carries his stuff but Baptist Press is mostly puffery and seldom news anyway.
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Re: Richard Land On President Obama

Postby Haruo » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:07 pm

Sandy wrote:
Stephen Fox wrote:It is a wicked twist of hand, this abracadabra Land is trying to mesmerize Southern Baptist with, keeping the eye of the fetus while Pressler's various religious right groups feign victimization while his Exxon buddies shake down the middle class in jesus and the unborn baby's name.

"It is a wicked twist of hand, this abracadabra with which Land is trying to mesmerize Southern Baptists, keeping the eye of the fetus while most various religious right groups feign victimization and use it to provide support to those who shake down the middle class in Jesus', and the unborn baby's name."

I say either drop the comma after "Jesus'" or add one after "baby's". And be prepared for those who insist on "Jesus's" and/or "Jesu's".
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Re: Richard Land On President Obama

Postby Gene Scarborough » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:09 pm

According to my 8th grade English teacher---Stephen is actually right! :)

God help the one who didn't memorize all the prepositions in the English language for Mrs. Ellington!!!
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Pressler's Oil, Rove, and Richard Land

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:09 pm

Pressler is son of a VP of Exxon Oil. It has never been rocket science to figure who is the God of Richard Land and Karl Rove.

Here is the latest indictment from NPR Fresh Air of Jan 31, a Tuesday

DAVIES: You know, Karl Rove is an interesting character in all of this because he, of course, is a, you know, a legendary political operative who has organized these vehicles - you know, American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS - which have contributed tens of millions to candidates. He's also a media figure. I mean, is - does what he - do his appearances on Fox News - how do his appearances on Fox News fit into what he does?

HAGAN: Oh, I think they're integral to it. You know, I profiled Karl Rove last year and wrote a little bit about this. His - he has - his main interest is keeping his ties to donors. You know, he's got a huge Rolodex of very wealthy Texas oilmen and women who are sort of the life's blood of, you know, the political process on his - in his neck of the woods.

So a lot of them - and when conversations I had with them - were given confidence to give money to any kind of organization that he would be leading because he's constantly telegraphing strategy on Fox News. They saw him as, like, you know, he's got the smart way forward for our party.

And so he's in both the position of using his media platform to collect money and to kind of lead as sort of strategic captain of that money and where to direct it. Now, he's always saying that I'm the co-founder of it, but I'm not - you know, he's an advisor to it. He's not running it, right. But he is the one creating the strategy for how to go about, you know, directing that money at Obama, for instance.

You know, if you read his columns in the Wall Street Journal or listen to things he says on Fox, he's constantly outlining a strategy for how to go after the opposition. And clearly, the superPAC that he is associated with is prepared to carry out those strategic plans.

So there's a real, I think, synthesis here, maybe a questionable one, between his platform that he's been given by Rupert Murdoch's news organs(ph) and his ability to direct millions of dollars in donor money.

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Newt's War on Religion

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:30 pm

More from the Underbelly of the World of Richard Land, and Charles Pickering and the silence of Frank Page

http://www.religiondispatches.org/archi ... ing_point/

Listen to the Diane Rehm show tomorrow morn on NPR, See the link in the Abortion thread
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Thanks, Sandy

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:32 pm

Sandy wrote:
Stephen Fox wrote:It is a wicked twist of hand, this abracadabra Land is trying to mesmerize Southern Baptist with, keeping the eye of the fetus while Pressler's various religious right groups feign victimization while his Exxon buddies shake down the middle class in jesus and the unborn baby's name.


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If you like pricin items as much as I do (Karl Childers love interest in Slingblade) it's bound to happen sooner or later :lol:
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Another piece of the Land/Rove Puzzle

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:41 pm

In the Exxon shakedown for Pressler's tax breaks

http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/7109/53/
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Casey Mattox on Hitler and Sanger

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:28 pm

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