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NPR Fresh Air Exposes GuvPerry, Gen Boykin, Apostolic Recons

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:19 pm

See the link the Aug 24 show below.

I heard the entire hour. Boykin is in deep demagoguing Muslims in an upcoming Detroit Ralley. Richard Land and Frank Page have lot of explaining to do.
Yet to be revealed how this concern in Ft. Mill, S.C. plays in larger picture

http://www.theoakinitiative.org/content/board-members

The woman investigating these matters was raised Southern Baptist in Deep South.

I hope she explores the history of James Deloach in this network, long time associate of Ed Young; and Trustee at SEBTS when Lolley was ousted.
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Transcript from this woman Raised SBC/Boykin

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:46 pm

This one is serious and should be discussed by highest levels of SBC, CBF and Baptist Covenant community:
Raises serious questions about CP allocations to Richard Land, as well as this sponsorship of Jerry Boykin in SBC and related Churches:

http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript ... =139781021
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Boykin Spotlighted in Transcript

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:43 pm

GROSS: So when you say this event is intended to be spiritual warfare against the intent of Islam, are the organizers of this event publicly saying that?

Ms. TABACHNICK: Yes. And in fact another person who has been there preparing for this event is Retired Lieutenant General William Boykin who is now part of the Oak Initiative. He does not announce himself as an apostle but he's a part of this Oak Initiative which includes many of the leading apostles. And he has been going to Michigan and speaking about the nine principles of warfare. One of these principles is offense instead of defense, and he is advising people that they have to act to prevent mosques from being built before they are actually constructed.

(Break)

GROSS: Now let me move on to Mike Bickle. He is the leader of what is known as the International House of Prayer and he was one of the organizers of the Rick Perry prayer rally. And he is also semi-famous now for having described Oprah Winfrey as a forerunner of the harlot movement. He said she is winsome, kind, reasonable. She is utterly deceived. A classy woman, a cool woman but she has a spirit of deception and is one of the forerunners to the harlot movement. Just a brief translation of what you think he means by that?

Ms. TABACHNICK: He's talking about the end times. And in the end times narrative there is what is called the Great Harlot or the Great Harlot of Mystery Babylon, and this is a demonic figure in the end times. Throughout Protestant history this has sometimes been described as being the Roman Catholic Church. But it represents the apostate religion of the end time.

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RD.org on Apostolic Dominionism of Perry and SBC

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:14 pm

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SBC Blogger Howell Scott tiptoes

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:30 pm

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SBC Peace Committee's Charles Pickering

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:41 pm

as a product of Dominionism as discussed by Posner and Bulter in the RD piece linked above:

That’s too narrow, and I think has (1) opened a door for the dominionism deniers, and (2) caused people to overlook some of the real-world creations of dominionism. The religious right has, in so many ways, succeeded in creating institutions meant to supplant “secular” ones. One of the founders of Oral Roberts University law school (where Michele Bachmann earned her law degree) called this his “dominion mandate.” Look at Regent University, where Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell earned his graduate degrees, or Liberty University Law School, where students are taught to engage in “civil disobedience” when a court order conflicts, in their view, with “biblical law,” or the Alliance Defense Fund, a law firm created to take on cases that would result in overturning of Supreme Court jurisprudence on separation of church and state. That’s the sort of thing dominionism has actually accomplished, in the legal field alone.

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Rachel talks about roots in SBC

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:22 pm

From an exchange at Talk To Action

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I disagree, in part, and here's why. (4.75 / 4) It is important to make the distinctions. As you have commented frequently, many people who have become involved in this don't know what they are embracing. This movement appeals to young people in a way that Christian Reconstructionism does not, for instance.
Also, in the progressive camp we tend to lump conservative evangelicals together. This is a terrible mistake. We can find allies there on the issue of separation of church and state.

I grew up Southern Baptist in the deep South. If someone had tried to introduce what the NAR is teaching in an SBC church of my youth, they would have been viewed as teaching another religion, if not coming from another planet. It is true that the "fundamentalist takeover" of the SBC has dramatically changed the denomination. (I was close to tears when I found out that the Reconstructionists have been using SBC facilities.) Still, this doesn't mean that all SBC members are ready to embrace Rushdoony's Reconstrucionism or the NAR.

Another thing that I've observed repeatedly is that many of the most radicalized dominionists are people without a religious upbringing. I think there are lifelong churchgoers who are becoming increasingly repulsed by the direction that politicized religion is taking. When we make sweeping generalizations, we alienate people who share our concerns and, after looking at where the NAR is headed, might be staunch allies for separation of church and state.

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Bruce Prescott has engaged the matter

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:07 am

At www.ethicsdaily.com and his blog
I commented on Prescott's blog. He is behind the religiondispatches and NPR curve on this one but had fascinating anecdote about SWBTA and Wagner:

http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/2 ... gy-to.html
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Doug Baker of Union Sem dismisses Recon Chatter

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:50 pm

http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additi ... 11?print=1

Union is the alma mater of Bellevue Baps Steve Gaines and his wife Donna. Also a prep school of sorts for future grads of Mohler's SBTS. So Baker going outside himself to defend Francis Schaeffer is no surprise.

The story for Baker and Prescott to explore, I repeat, is serious discussion with Charles Pickering and Frank Page about the SBC in same river with Recon Dominionists to move fulcrum of church state discussion away from BJC to the Alliance Defense Fund.

Explore that with Page and Tea Party's Jim Demint in the Room.
Way past time for Bill Moyers to do another documentary.

America's Centerfielder can not Hold.

And I should not be the only person in Baptist life to date who has even a weak working knowledge of Dochuk and Dan Williams and the Mark Noll and Randall Balmer review of their work.
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Prescott interviews the NPR expert

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:29 am

Rachel Tabachnick Daughter of SBC minister from Georgia who had a front row seat for the takeover of the Convention. She is a graduate of UGA and became concerned on entering the Jewish faith after marriage many of her Jewish friends were enarmored with John Hagee.


http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/2 ... rview.html
Discussing prayer warriors etc.

Discussing the Houston Prayer Event and the misuse the Response And Call Phraseology.

Rachel is saying Rick Perry made a conscious decision to empower this apostolic dominionism movement; while Rachel points out they also work with Democrat.

Prescott is now leading Rachel to talk about Evolution and the Suspicion of Science with Perry and dominionists.
Perry goes back to 2002 coordinating with the Apostolic Doms Reconciliation Ceremonies breaking down barriers. We will embrace others if they embrace our beliefs and come out of demonic beliefs.
Prescott says Perry is messing with folks who advocate fears and suspicions of science; a poisonous ideology, says Prescott.

Cosmic battle being taken to the natural level. Rachel finds that frightening.
Opening deliverance centers around the country.

concerned about demons of Masonry and eastern religioins


Spiritual warfare in specific communities

Apostolic heartland website site

Uganda is their greatest success story. (similar strategy in Alabama with immigrants laws)

"Blueprint for making it acceptable for demonizing other human beings" says Rachel.
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Rachel Tabachnick something of a mystery

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:17 pm

Would be great to know who her SBC Father in Georgia was, and where she went to school and more about her conversion to Judaism

From one site:

Beyond what she says about herself at Talk2Action, however, it is nearly impossible to learn anything else about Mrs. Tabachnick — except that she is a resident of Pittsburgh whose husband, Ritchie, donated to the Obama Victory Fund. (That site apparently misidentifies Mrs. Tabachnick herself as the donor; the original FEC document lists her husband’s name.)

Ritchie Tabachnick is president of Equipment & Controls Africa, a Pittsburgh-based company that provides petroleum industry engineering services in Angola, Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon and Nigeria. Tabachnick is also a “progressive political activist” who spoke on a panel about bridging the “gap between social progressives and the working class” at the same Pennsylvania “Progressive Summit” in January where his wife Rachel gave a speech about “The ‘Sacralizing’ of Economic and Political Issues by the Religious Right.”



And then this:
http://zeek.forward.com/articles/116693/
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David Miller obliquely addresses the matter

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:29 pm

At www.sbcimpact.net under the rubric of Peter's sword. Below is my response.

Miller usually blogs at SBCvoices, his main playground.

David Miller:

I wonder if you will take your devotional here to Frank Page as he explores the implications for Jim Demint and the wider world of the Tea Party of Jerry Boykin and his flirtations with Apostolic Dominionism and Response and Call Detroit.

Serious conversations are ongoing at SBC Trends of Bl.com about the matter; the most recent being Bruce Prescott's conversation with the daughter of a Georgia Baptist minister, Rachel Rapachnick, recently on NPR's Fresh Air.
It all goes to the heart of your thought here on Peter and the Sword.
Hoping David Rogers joins you on this exploration. Howell Scott as well. Very interested to see what they say and the modern manifestations of Peter's Sword at the highest levels of SBC administration.
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Andrew Sullivan responds to Union Seminary proff

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:13 pm

The Proff Aaron Weaver spotlighted recently in his Baps Today weekly roundup blog:

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com ... -of-a.html

Francis Schaeffer is seen more and more as a ruse
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Boykin and the FRC

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:40 pm

Up today at religiondispatches

Meanwhile, the Family Research Council has just appointed Lt. General William G. “Jerry” Boykin (Ret.) as executive vice president. Boykin, among other things, has claimed that “we need to realize that Islam itself is not just a religion—it is a totalitarian way of life. It’s a legal system, shari'ah law; it’s a financial system; it’s a moral code; it’s a political system; it’s a military system. It should not be protected under the First Amendment, particularly given that those following the dictates of the Qur’an are under an obligation to destroy our Constitution and replace it with shari'ah law.” Bachmann is taking heat from fellow Republicans for her attempted witch hunt of Abedin. But will those Republicans back away from the FRC’s Values Voters Summit this fall in protest of Boykin’s history of Islamophobia?]
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Re: Boykin and the FRC

Postby Ed Pettibone » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:54 am

Stephen Fox wrote:Up today at religiondispatches

Meanwhile, the Family Research Council has just appointed Lt. General William G. “Jerry” Boykin (Ret.) as executive vice president. Boykin, among other things, has claimed that “we need to realize that Islam itself is not just a religion—it is a totalitarian way of life. It’s a legal system, shari'ah law; it’s a financial system; it’s a moral code; it’s a political system; it’s a military system. It should not be protected under the First Amendment, particularly given that those following the dictates of the Qur’an are under an obligation to destroy our Constitution and replace it with shari'ah law.” Bachmann is taking heat from fellow Republicans for her attempted witch hunt of Abedin. But will those Republicans back away from the FRC’s Values Voters Summit this fall in protest of Boykin’s history of Islamophobia?]


Ed: Steve a "phobia" is an irrational fear. Note Boykin's distinction between Islam as a religion and as a political system. And I tend agree that Political Islam is antithetical to American democracy. And determining how to respect Islamic religion and protect ourselves from political Islam is a "sticky wicket".
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Ed and Moonrise Kingdom

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:57 am

Off topic and as a friend, but it may be you as the Climate weatherman expert in Moonrise Kingdom. I hope you can see it in the next few days as it may leave theatres soon, and very much worth the big screen. Stay through the credits for some great Benjamin Britten music and Leonard Bernstein to boot.

Agree with you on the Sticky wicket.
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