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Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:53 am
by Tim Bonney
I'm contemplating Al's tweet. And even without his previous theology about "quivers full" the idea that being "human" and being a "parent" are connected is a pretty poor drive by tweet.

I tried to think of how many people I've known in churches over the years have suffered because they couldn't have children. Or persons I've ministered with who were not able to have as many children as they wanted do to medical issues. Or, persons who never married and thus chose never to have children.

I know these short statements are a function of twitter. But why would you tweet something that would imply that persons who don't/can't/won't have children are not fully human? It sounds more like Mormon theology that Baptist theology.

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:55 pm
by William Thornton
The responses from the left are predictable. There is nothing more basic to the human race than parenting. We don't exist apart from it. 100% of us have parents. But I understand my lib friends being indignant and feeling aggrieved. You can't have mother's day without apologizing to non mothers etc. Same old story...

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:34 pm
by Tim Bonney
William Thornton wrote:The responses from the left are predictable. There is nothing more basic to the human race than parenting. We don't exist apart from it. 100% of us have parents. But I understand my lib friends being indignant and feeling aggrieved. You can't have mother's day without apologizing to non mothers etc. Same old story...


Your callousness to those who can't have children is disturbing. Given your growing grouchy tone in the past year, not surprising, but disturbing.

Mohler needs to read the New Book about the Bible

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:34 pm
by Stephen Fox
I read a brief review in the New Yorker, about four issues back.

And his recent interviewee ( about two years ago) Charles Marsh has a new book, edits a new book Can I get a Witness, 13 Christian Peacemakers and Agitators. Mohler is an agitator for fundamentalism but he didn't make this anthology.

Good Buddy Shurden review in latest Christianethicstoday.com . While there read my latest review in same issue, about four pages past Shurden.

Here it is, me and Buddy Shurden, much better reading
http://www.christianethicstoday.com/wp/ ... CE-113.pdf

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:05 pm
by William Thornton
What's disturbing is the attitude that you can't commend anything good if there is anywpossibility someone will be offended. But if mohler is involved I understand that ex and other modlibs will find offense.

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:03 pm
by Dave Roberts
William, I have to admit that Mohler is such an easy target. He podcasts every day, whether or not he has anything to say. When you do that and take controversial positions, it's like finding piniata with a beeper embedded. You can even hit it blindfolded.

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:18 pm
by Tim Bonney
William Thornton wrote:What's disturbing is the attitude that you can't commend anything good if there is anywpossibility someone will be offended. But if mohler is involved I understand that ex and other modlibs will find offense.


Your totally getting us off subject William. How is Al (or anyone else) attacking people for not having children "commending something good?" Did I ever say not to celebrate Mother's Day? What is offensive is Al's decade plus long attack on people who choose not to have children, can't have children, or shouldn't have children, not any disrespect for those who do, can and are so blessed.

Being a parent is a wonderful thing. But equating being human with reproducing attacks the humanity of all those who can't.

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:22 pm
by Stephen Fox
Tim Bonney wrote:
William Thornton wrote:What's disturbing is the attitude that you can't commend anything good if there is anywpossibility someone will be offended. But if mohler is involved I understand that ex and other modlibs will find offense.


Your totally getting us off subject William. How is Al (or anyone else) attacking people for not having children "commending something good?" Did I ever say not to celebrate Mother's Day? What is offensive is Al's decade plus long attack on people who choose not to have children, can't have children, or shouldn't have children, not any disrespect for those who do, can and are so blessed.

Being a parent is a wonderful thing. But equating being human with reproducing attacks the humanity of all those who can't.


I kinda tend to come down on the side of Tim Bonney on this one. Mohler is like Eric Metaxas, an overrated impostor of sorts.

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:55 pm
by Haruo
From one humongously oversimplified vantage point, having kids is absolutely the A-number-one commandment. It is, indeed, the Number One commandment in the Bible, if you're just looking at commandments aimed at human beings. There are a number of higher-priority commandments addressed to light (or whatever was in charge of seeing that it came to be), firmaments, animals, etc.

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:39 pm
by Tim Bonney
Haruo wrote:From one humongously oversimplified vantage point, having kids is absolutely the A-number-one commandment. It is, indeed, the Number One commandment in the Bible, if you're just looking at commandments aimed at human beings. There are a number of higher-priority commandments addressed to light (or whatever was in charge of seeing that it came to be), firmaments, animals, etc.


I would say what the Rev. Dr. Aisand Right-Riggins (Past director of ABC National Ministries) names as Jesus top three, the Great Commandment (Love God and neighbor) the Great Commission Matt 28:16-20 and the Great Criteria (As you have done it unto the least of these you have done it unto me) are higher commandments than those given to Adam and Eve at the creation when they were the only 2 people who needed to do some populating.

But dogging people who can't have kids, don't want kids or shouldn't have kids to have kids when we have billions of people overrunning the planet (a far cry from two (2) at creation ) is just more fundamentalist claptrap that few Christians believe outside of the far right.

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:13 pm
by Sandy
William Thornton wrote:The responses from the left are predictable. There is nothing more basic to the human race than parenting. We don't exist apart from it. 100% of us have parents. But I understand my lib friends being indignant and feeling aggrieved. You can't have mother's day without apologizing to non mothers etc. Same old story...


The responses from the left are predictable? This stuff about full quivers and obligation to preserve the race (which for many means the White Race) attached to some sort of Biblical prooftexting is bad theology and sounds a lot like white supremacy stuff. Southern Baptists are pretty caustic in their criticism of Catholic hierarchy and ritualism but if you are an inner circle Conservative Resurgence leader you can make theological pronouncements that are considered infallible doctrinal edicts just like the pope or the Mormon church prophet. Inerrancy gives way to political expediency and the continual obligation to bow and worship at the feet of Baal, er, the CR leaders.

And yet, the denomination's largest single offering is named in honor of Lottie Moon.

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:54 pm
by Rvaughn
Sandy wrote:This is something he has been saying for a long time. I posted one of his earlier blog posts on the subject, from 2006, but many of his past writings and radio commentaries get repeated from time to time, or become one of his speaking or writing themes again, sort of like a "re-run." You'd have to ask Dave for a specific reference to recent remarks but this has been one of his pronouncements and preaching themes for a long time.
Apparently Dave didn't/doesn't know, since he posted that the most recent he found was 2016. However, the thread title is "Al Mohler with new family pronouncement." Following a link in the article William linked, I find the current brouhaha concerns a tweet made by Al Mohler on August 27th. Here is the tweet, according to another site.
Albert Mohler: “What we have right now is the fact that Americans are basically, by the millions, giving up on the fact that to be human is to be a parent, eventually to take on that responsibility to get married and have children, to take on the responsibility of passing on civilization itself. Instead, we have a generation right now that apparently has bought into the idea that the nation is fatally flawed and God is dead and religion is useless and having children therefore simply isn’t worth giving your life to.”

Re: Al Mohler with new family pronouncemen

PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:12 pm
by Sandy
Mohler's pronouncements are everywhere. He blogs, tweets, broadcasts, preaches, podcasts, pontificates frequently. I'll give him credit for consistency, but that's about it.

This sounds like stuff my parents used to say, about the younger generation going to hell in a handbasket, not caring about anything their elders tried to teach them, ignoring God and goodness what will the future look like when "they" are in charge? It will look a lot like it does now, I thought, but often didn't say because convincing them otherwise was pointless.

I have a difficult time discerning statements like this and many similar ones from Mohler and any other "celebrity" preacher because it isn't easy to tell whether they really believe what they say or that they feel compelled to say it because it is the way they earn their living and make themselves fabulously wealthy.