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SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed May 23, 2018 7:34 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act ... 0fe54adbac

Out of the Presidents office but will remain on campus in the Heritage Building with his and Pressler's "Stained" Glass Window. Intention Stair snark there for anybody who missed it.

Ive already testified on Marie Griffith's facebook wall this morning,prominent quotes in the article above, and good friend of Bush 41 and Chapter Three biographer Jon Meacham who eulogized Barr.

My blog of two weeks ago on the larger picture the world bill Friday, Cecil Sherman, Moyers, myself and others saw 30 years ago but Meacham andThornton, Sandy and FBC Spartanburg seem incapable of gettin their heads around.
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby Sandy » Wed May 23, 2018 3:11 pm

For reference, here's Stephen's post, the one he is referencing is May 4, I believe...

http://foxofbama.blogspot.com/

So this was probably anticipated and expected. I'm still a bit surprised. The Southwestern trustees are as stacked, hand-picked, pre-selected and pushed through as you can find anywhere in the SBC. On the other hand, in a denomination that has a reputation for dismissing people from program leadership at the slightest hint of falling numbers, no other leader would have survived more than a couple of years against what happened at Southwestern. So he gets a nice apartment free of charge on campus, and a salary of unknown proportions. He'd already been told he was getting that, so going back on that wouldn't be good, but then, how big does a golden parachute funded by church donations have to be? Your Cooperative Program dollars at work, and good luck convincing churches and state conventions they need to up the ante after this wasteful spending spree.

There may be some justice involved. It was discovered there was no legitimate reason for firing the student who lost his job tweeting a criticism of Patterson. Give him back his job.

There is an inherent victory in this for moderate Baptists. Call it a "takeover" or a "resurgence," whatever it was, the Patterson-Pressler led movement was never able to capture the soul of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. The school's greatest achievements, its highest enrollments, its worldwide influence, and the peak of its respect among the Evangelical Christian community, occurred under moderate Baptist leadership. It was one of the top prizes that conservatives aimed to capture, to the point that they accelerated the turnover of trustees to move it more quickly. Patterson's career ambition was aimed at moving from the small, obscure, run-down Criswell College to the big chair in Fort Worth. Eventually, after having to prove himself with a stint at Southeastern, which waited to achieve its success until Danny Akin arrived, Patterson came to Fort Worth and got the staff to pose for pictures with cowboy hats. But Southwestern never thrived under his leadership. He will leave behind a legacy of continuous budget cuts, downsizing, elimination of programs, postponement of development plans, drastically reduced enrollments.

He has his fellow Texas Baptists to thank for that. Texas Baptists made up the bulk of Southwestern's students and leadership, and were the core constituency to which it played. For the most part, his fellow Texas Baptists have never liked Paige Patterson, never really followed him in any great number, avoided Criswell College like the plague, paying little attention to it, and to him, and even the more conservative churches resisted drawing the line between themselves and the SBC conservative resurgence. While the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention has siphoned off a lot of CP support from the BGCT, they've never been able to provide Southwestern with the full assistance and support that it lost from Texas Baptists. The percentage of students on campus from Texas fell every year that Patterson was there, to a point where it is disproportionately smaller than that of most of the other states represented. Texas Baptists walked away from Southwestern and Patterson, into their own seminaries, or into other evangelical schools. And so, after yesterday's announcement, it can be said that they have successfully denied Patterson the ability to claim triumph in achievement in "restoring Southwestern Seminary to its conservative roots."
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Postby Stephen Fox » Fri May 25, 2018 4:59 pm

I have checked various sites response to Patterson at SWBTS. Baptist Women in Ministry, some of the founding members and notables have been most outspoken. I thought Bill Leonard comment on Julie Pennington Russell wall was spot on. Most likely he will use it in commentary for a baptist global news piece soon. Harry Dent's daughter friend of Trey Gowdy and former trustee of IMB has beenmute for the most part other than to say she thinks Ken Hemphill can lead SBC out of current morass. Her Dad, Nixon's southern strategist was a trustee of SBTS late 90s before overtaken by Alzheimers. the dents are close to the Billy Graham organization.
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Baptist Global reports Donkey Gang rape in Bama

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri May 25, 2018 5:16 pm

In connection with the Patterson story

https://baptistnews.com/article/paige-p ... wiHc1KG9dg
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby William Thornton » Fri May 25, 2018 6:54 pm

Yeah, that was spectacular in an appalling way. I've rarely seen, though, a more effusive and contrite apology.

After multiple thousands of articles and comments, I wouldn't want to be remembered for my worst one.
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

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Mohler's thoughts on the Judgment of God on SBC

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Postby Sandy » Sat May 26, 2018 9:50 pm

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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby Haruo » Sat May 26, 2018 11:37 pm

Sandy wrote:https://sbctoo.wordpress.com/2018/05/26/why-the-removal-of-paige-patterson-isnt-enough/

Wow. Just, wow.

Wow.
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Re: Mohler's thoughts on the Judgment of God on SBC

Postby Sandy » Sun May 27, 2018 6:20 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:https://albertmohler.com/2018/05/23/wrath-god-poured-humiliation-southern-baptist-convention/


A few of the things Mohler said...

Al Mohler wrote:Judgment has now come to the house of the Southern Baptist Convention. The terrible swift sword of public humiliation has come with a vengeance. There can be no doubt that this story is not over.


There's one story, not related to anything else that has come out so far, that I linked here https://sbctoo.wordpress.com/2018/05/26 ... nt-enough/ that is a new insight into what may have been going on at Southwestern. So he may be right, that this isn't over.

Al Mohler wrote:This is exactly what those who opposed the Conservative Resurgence warned would happen. They claimed that the effort to recover the denomination theologically was just a disguised move to capture the denomination for a new set of power-hungry leaders. I know that was not true. I must insist that this was not true. But, it sure looks like their prophecies had some merit after all....Is complementarianism the problem? Is it just camouflage for abusive males and permission for the abuse and mistreatment of women? We can see how that argument would seem plausible to so many looking to conservative evangelicals and wondering if we have gone mad.


Given the actual number of true "liberals" and even theological moderates, who emerged from the controversy in the SBC, as opposed to the number of opponents of the Patterson-Pressler coalition who were as theological conservative as they were, and the number of theological conservatives still left in the SBC who never got behind Patterson and Pressler, I'd say that there is a fairly decent segment of Southern Baptists still in full cooperation who see the efforts of the denominational politics of the conservative resurgence as a move to grab power. The fact that both Patterson and Pressler have been able to name the positions they wanted, and remain in power, would serve to suggest Mohler, who managed to get himself from the editor's post of a state paper to the presidency of Southern Seminary on the coat-tails of the Conservative Resurgence, is wrong about the power grab.

Al Mohler wrote:The Bible warns so clearly of those who would abuse power and weaponize authority.


Complimentarianism wasn't the problem at Southwestern. Good ole boy abuse of power was. This is probably as much of a direct connection of this particular thought to Patterson from Mohler as we will see, though I am surprised that he went this far. There are stories coming out now about an administrative assistant at Southwestern driving from Ft Worth to Wake Forest, entering the admin building at Southeastern in the dead of night, and removing boxes of files from the archives. Aside from the manner in which reports of abuse were handled, women who attended both schools are coming forward with accounts of how they were treated in other matters, including as students. Mohler, and Southern Seminary, appear at this point to be out of the line of fire. He's good at feathering his own nest. Is this piece something he's putting out as an "I told you so," or as a means of catching the falling crown?
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Postby Sandy » Tue May 29, 2018 3:11 pm

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Postby Tim Bonney » Tue May 29, 2018 4:47 pm

Sandy wrote:https://sbctoo.wordpress.com/2018/05/26/why-the-removal-of-paige-patterson-isnt-enough/

Wow. Just, wow.


Wow indeed!
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Postby Haruo » Tue May 29, 2018 7:15 pm

I hope Dr. Madden has a bodyguard, so he can get some sleep.
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue May 29, 2018 7:19 pm

Sandy wrote:http://www.wadeburleson.org/2018/05/the-missing-southeastern-presidential.html


Wade sounds familiar. I am forgetting, what is his previous involvement with BL.com?
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby JE Pettibone » Wed May 30, 2018 9:12 am

Tim Bonney wrote:
Sandy wrote:http://www.wadeburleson.org/2018/05/the-missing-southeastern-presidential.html


Wade sounds familiar. I am forgetting, what is his previous involvement with BL.com?


Ed: Tim, you can find all 699 post by Wade by clicking on "Members" on the right side of the 2nd Banner at the top the page. His last post was almost 6 years ago. You may recall that he is or at least was David's personal physician.
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby Haruo » Wed May 30, 2018 10:06 am

Flick or Solomon's father? ;-) I had no idea Burleson was an MD. Or did you mean physician as a synonym for pastor or something else?
Ed Pettibone wrote:You may recall that he is or at least was David's personal physician.
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby Sandy » Wed May 30, 2018 10:43 am

Tim Bonney wrote:
Sandy wrote:http://www.wadeburleson.org/2018/05/the-missing-southeastern-presidential.html


Wade sounds familiar. I am forgetting, what is his previous involvement with BL.com?


He is pastor of Immanuel Baptist Church in Enid, Oklahoma, and posted here for a while. He was a trustee of the IMB, and wound up stepping down because he didn't pay homage and loyalty to the self-proclaimed gods of the SBC.
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby David Flick » Thu May 31, 2018 1:50 am

    Tim Bonney wrote:Wade sounds familiar. I am forgetting, what is his previous involvement with BL.com?
      JE Pettibone wrote:Ed: Tim, you can find all 699 post by Wade by clicking on "Members" on the right side of the 2nd Banner at the top the page. His last post was almost 6 years ago. You may recall that he is or at least was David's personal physician.


        Ed, there were two BL.Com members whose names are "Wade." Both are Oklahomans. One is Wade Burleson (the pastor about whom Sandy referenced). Burleson is a personal friend of mine. The other is Dr. Wade McCoy MD. Dr. McCoy is, in fact, my personal physician. He and I were born and raised in Roger Mills County, OK). I grew up in Hammon and he in Reydon. The small towns are 39 miles apart. Hope this helps...
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby JE Pettibone » Thu May 31, 2018 3:00 am

David Flick wrote:
    Tim Bonney wrote:Wade sounds familiar. I am forgetting, what is his previous involvement with BL.com?
      JE Pettibone wrote:Ed: Tim, you can find all 699 post by Wade by clicking on "Members" on the right side of the 2nd Banner at the top the page. His last post was almost 6 years ago. You may recall that he is or at least was David's personal physician.


        Ed, there were two BL.Com members whose names are "Wade." Both are Oklahomans. One is Wade Burleson (the pastor about whom Sandy referenced). Burleson is a personal friend of mine. The other is Dr. Wade McCoy MD. Dr. McCoy is, in fact, my personal physician. He and I were born and raised in Roger Mills County, OK). I grew up in Hammon and he in Reydon. The small towns are 39 miles apart. Hope this helps...


Ed: David, it is good to see your smiling face, I really like that new pix. Thanks for the reminder that there were two Oklahoma Wades on this site. I should have noted Burleson's last name in the URl provided by Sandy. We are planning to stop over in a walmart parking lot on our way through Oklahoma City, heading to the F M C A Rally, in Gillette Wyoming after the CBF Assembly. We plan to take a slower pace this summer while we get the last few western states filled in on our places visited map.
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby Haruo » Thu May 31, 2018 1:11 pm

David Flick wrote:[list]Ed, there were two BL.Com members whose names are "Wade." Both are Oklahomans. One is Wade Burleson (the pastor about whom Sandy referenced). Burleson is a personal friend of mine. The other is Dr. Wade McCoy MD. Dr. McCoy is, in fact, my personal physician. He and I were born and raised in Roger Mills County, OK). I grew up in Hammon and he in Reydon. The small towns are 39 miles apart. Hope this helps...
Thanks, David, that clears up a point that I had a very hard time wrapping my mind around in Ed's earlier comment.
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Re: SBC Watershed. Paige is Out at SWBTS

Postby Tim Bonney » Thu May 31, 2018 2:28 pm

Nice to see you Dave! Thanks for the clarity on the "Wades." It shows how short my old memory is becoming.
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