Resolution proposed against "social justice"

[William Thornton]

Any member of an SBC church can propose a resolution for the annual meeting and over the years I've seen some goofy ones. Here's one proposed for this year's convention by a pastor in Texas:



You've got to read it. The pastor is against social justice.

Naturally, secular media immediately get the thrust, even if the pastor unwittingly doesn't:

We probably ought to try and visualize the headlines for some of the stuff we say or propose.

The resolution doesn't have a snowflake's chance in Gehenna of being passed or even being reported out of the Committee on Resolutions.
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The first link above is to the militant anti-Calvinist site. The SBC extreme right wing talk show wing spends a lot of time there...which is what this, a talk show resolution.

My mod/lib friends probably miss this kind of stuff. I'm inclined to agree with the CBF in just not having resolutions at their national gatherings.

[Sandy]

So, whether or not the resolutions committee reports this out or not, the guy got his message out, tagged the Southern Baptist Convention with it, and that's a problem. Another problem is that the "secular media" and just about any other perspective other than the one reflected in the resolution, will be able to refute every point made in the resolution by citing scripture references quoting Jesus.

I agree that the committee won't let it get to the floor, but I'm not sure it would be voted down badly enough to make a statement for the SBC. A lot of conservative Evangelicals, including many Southern Baptists, think exactly like this.

[Haruo]

In a world with a reality-TV-cum-Twitter-based US President, a talk-show resolution seems pretty tame. Does the pastor in question have any idea what "social justice" can refer to, and what Jesus (not to mention Moses and the prophets) might have said on the subject? Guess I'll have to read the links and see what I think.

[Haruo]

Okay, I read some of it and even made a comment, a rarity for me on SBC sites.

[Dave Roberts]

I guess his inerrant Bible doesn't contain Amos, Micah, or the first 11 chapters of Isaiah.

[Haruo]

None of the prophets ever mentioned social justice, at least not in Holman or KJ...

[William Thornton]

[Sandy]

[Haruo]

How's about a resolution to get SBC entities to stop using the word "love" because it's really just a code word for same-sex marriage? I know the Bible has a bunch of potentially embarrassing passages that use that word, but we could issue a Revised Holman Edition where, for example, 1 John 4:8 would clearly state, "The one who does not agoppy does not know God, because God is agoppy."

[Stephen Fox]

SBC shoud own it. Just look at Criswell's history and that of Pressler, McAteer and Albert Lee Smith. Read Rough Country. SBC fundies ran all the progressives off and what's left in leadership except for alittle window dressing on occcasion by Jim Henry and weak propaganda from Russell Moore.

Read Rough Country. Baptist deacons in Bama were 80 percent behind George Wallace before he was shot. Presssler was outraged by Brown V Board of Education and it didnt take him long to find Jesse Helms and Albert Lee Smith. Everybody in Rome Georgia knows the history of West Rome Baptist Church in Jerry Vines heyday is marinated in the John Birch Society.

Bruce Gourley knows it. Wayne Flynt at Auburn knows it. Vernon Burton of Furman and Clemson, the Dean of Southern Historians on Civil War, Jim Crow and Civil Rights;Balmer at Dartmouth and Curtis Freeman at Duke.

As Criswell said You wouldn't call a chigger a chiggerow, now wudya.

Pass the darn Resolution and demonstrate some historical integrity. Get off the false narrative. Own it!!!!!!

[Dave Roberts]

[Sandy]

[Dave Roberts]

My wildest job was with WCVP/WCNG in Murphy, NC. WCVP was a local country with some variety programming. WCNG was an adult contemporary FM. Also read news that was fed to a second FM outlet that was 18 miles away across a mountain with the same owners. Had to be on the money time-wise to be there with news when all three stations were joined together.

[Stephen Fox]

I was in Hayesville thru first half of third grade 1962. Rode through town Friday on way from Bama to Upstate. When were you there? Randall Lolley's brother Tom was director of Missions for Western NC in the 80s and active with Truett Camp.

Love to hear more of your Murphy story.

[Dave Roberts]

[Tim Bonney]

[linda]

Hmm. I read the apparently offending post and a passel of the comments. If I'm not wrong, and I surely could be, the anti social justice folks are not anti justice at all. Or anti taking care of the widows and orphans, etc. They are opposed to the words "social justice" being equated not with equality for all, for not letting babies starve, and all those other GOOD things it might mean but rather having become a code word or words for pro abortion, pro gay marriage, and pro asset and income redistribution. In that sense, just as many see "Christian conservative" as some sort of next to Hitler person, many see "social justice warrior" as Marxist leftwing subterfuge.

But it is a Baptist fight, and we have finally and I suspect forever left that fold. We recently moved and fully figured to be Baptist again. You would think that with around 15 churches to pick we would have found one and settled in. But either we would literally have to cross running creeks and mud bogs, or sign on to young earth creationism, or take part in the Calvinist/Traditionalist stink, or pick some form of super fundamentalism.

We gave up. With the UMC in a turmoil tizzy at very minimum until February of 2019 we decided to just move our membership to the flavor of Wesleyan we were in the previous locale. Our beliefs have changed a bit, and we just fit better where the purpose of all this God created is to show His love and where He actively seeks the salvation of all than where there is constant in fighting and backbiting in a who is "more God's favorite than who" arrangement.

But I grew up in a place where the Methodist (pre UMC) church and SBC church both saw it that way, and worked together to see the community right with God. But not now. And that is fine. Don't think I'm any longer a misfit Baptist with Wesleyan leanings, but a conservative Wesleyan through and through.

[Dave Roberts]

Linda, you pointed out what is often the sad reality of our conversations. People assume what the other is thinking. I can't speak for any other Baptist, but I see "social justice" as working toward the same care for all God's people, not the same money or the same levels of wealth given to everyone. However, I would work for reforms like those that would make Social Security an equal tax on all wages, not just on those who receive below the wage cap. At present, someone earning only minimum wage pays 7.65% as does his/her employer, but for someone earning $1-million per year, Social Security only takes a little under !% from employee or employer on this salary. Likewise, I see medical care as a right, not a privilege of wealth. For both of these ideas, I've had folks accuse me of thinking like a communist. I also can't see immigrants who are undocumented as "animals."

[KeithE]

Had not seen this post topic until now - don’t look at SBC items very frequently.

Kudos to William for seeing thorough this misguided resolution. But I’m surprised since William seems to object to every social justice idea I offer.

Social Justice (correctly understood) is a central theme of the Bible



and of Jesus

[William Thornton]

The resolution was a talk show generalized tirade. Waste of time for the SBC and counterproductive. Your concrete proposals deserve to be rejected but not for generalized reasons.

[Sandy]

[William Thornton]

The guy named Glenn Beck in his original resolution, Sandy. You are on target here.

[Sandy]

[Dave Roberts]

I am really fascinated by the combining of Marxism and Post-Modernism. From most of my reading, those two seem totally antithetical. How do you read them?

[KeithE]