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Rvaughn wrote:http://sbcvoices.com/faith-in-america-to-protest-sbc17/
"...Faith in America, a pro-LGBT advocacy group, plans to protest the 2017 annual meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention being held next week in Phoenix, AZ."
http://www.bpnews.net/48981/prolgbt-group-plans-protest-at-sbc-2017
Rvaughn wrote:I'm more of a 19th-century man myself, a little more primitive than the Southerns. But I agree with you that it is a waste of time.
In fact, I think a lot of protesting that is done is a waste of time, and perhaps does more toward making protesters feel better about themselves than doing anything that changes something.
Timothy Bonney wrote:Rvaughn wrote:I'm more of a 19th-century man myself, a little more primitive than the Southerns. But I agree with you that it is a waste of time.
In fact, I think a lot of protesting that is done is a waste of time, and perhaps does more toward making protesters feel better about themselves than doing anything that changes something.
I have mixed feelings about protests at denominational venues also. I tend to agree with you that it generally doesn't do much in the way of convincing people. Other kinds of actions that work to change policies are more effective.
JE Pettibone wrote:
Ed: Hey guys, it depends on the organizational quality of the protest, look at the Civil Rights movement and the VIet Nam War protest. Ofcourse both of you are too young for first hand experience with either.
Old enough to remember, young enough to have not been involved -- except in listening to the protest music of the war, such as:JE Pettibone wrote:Ed: Hey guys, it depends on the organizational quality of the protest, look at the Civil Rights movement and the Viet Nam War protest. Of course both of you are too young for first hand experience with either.
Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We’re finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.
Sandy wrote:I had a 45 RPM record of that Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young recording of Ohio. I think I was probably in 7th or 8th grade back then. I was a sophomore in high school when the Vietnam war came to an end, and turned 18 six days after the draft expired.
I was in much the same time frame as you. Draft ended before I was eligible. Wikipedia says "Ohio" was written in May 1970, so I think I was finishing the 7th grade at the time. I was still listening to CSN even before they were "and Young" but I had an older brother who was listening to and buying this stuff.Sandy wrote:I had a 45 RPM record of that Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young recording of Ohio. I think I was probably in 7th or 8th grade back then. I was a sophomore in high school when the Vietnam war came to an end, and turned 18 six days after the draft expired.
Timothy Bonney wrote:JE Pettibone wrote:
Ed: Hey guys, it depends on the organizational quality of the protest, look at the Civil Rights movement and the VIet Nam War protest. Ofcourse both of you are too young for first hand experience with either.
Ed, you have more experience than I do with that era. But what I used to see at ABC/USA meetings when the AWAB would stage protests is that they would borrow the feel of the Vietnam era protests and I could hear older folks muttering "bunch of hippies protesting again." (I'm exaggerating a little. But that is the response I heard.)
So I think moderates are often turned off by liberal protesters if they are riding the fence and it pushes them the other direction.
JE Pettibone wrote:Ed: Which ABWA Tim, the American Business Womens Association or the Association of Black Women Attorneys?OH No, I Guess you mean that group of 15 or 20 folk who Martched into the first ABC Biennial to be held in the south, @ Richmond
Timothy Bonney wrote:JE Pettibone wrote:Ed: Which ABWA Tim, the American Business Womens Association or the Association of Black Women Attorneys?OH No, I Guess you mean that group of 15 or 20 folk who Martched into the first ABC Biennial to be held in the south, @ Richmond
Yes, I reversed some letters. I'll confess that after seven years in UMC land I'm starting to forget what ABC folks call things. In the UMC world it is called the "Reconciling Ministries Network" or RMN.
I do remember not getting to the mic. And I remember the three of us having lunch. After that, my recollections of the Richmond Biennial are pretty fuzzy.
Right now I'm in Des Moines at the Iowa Annual Conference UMC.
Timothy Bonney wrote:JE Pettibone wrote:Ed: Which ABWA Tim, the American Business Womens Association or the Association of Black Women Attorneys?OH No, I Guess you mean that group of 15 or 20 folk who Martched into the first ABC Biennial to be held in the south, @ Richmond
Yes, I reversed some letters. I'll confess that after seven years in UMC land I'm starting to forget what ABC folks call things. In the UMC world it is called the "Reconciling Ministries Network" or RMN.
I do remember not getting to the mic. And I remember the three of us having lunch. After that, my recollections of the Richmond Biennial are pretty fuzzy.
Right now I'm in Des Moines at the Iowa Annual Conference UMC.
JE Pettibone wrote:Uh Tim, the Biennial where You Flick and I had lunch together was Denver as was the my only four minutes addressing assembled ABC delegates. 2 years after Richmond where about the only person other than Trudy that I had prior acquaintance with was CBF Coordinator Danial Vestal who had come up from Greensboro CBF Assembly to deliver fraternal greetings to the ABC. Like this year Trudy and I attended both meetings of the 2 organizations. Richmond was Our 1st ABC Biennial. At the ABC meeting Trudy and I where manning the ABC Interim Ministries Program booth when Danial dropped in and recognized us as long time CBFers.Ed, I'm sitting here trying to remember what year that was. Seems like it was sometime between '03 & '05. Unbelievable how rapidly time passes at our age! Help me out here. What year was it?
Incidentally, I distinctly remember you getting up on the platform and addressing the delegates. As I recall, you, Trudy, and I were sitting together during that session...
Timothy Bonney wrote:Rvaughn wrote:http://sbcvoices.com/faith-in-america-to-protest-sbc17/
"...Faith in America, a pro-LGBT advocacy group, plans to protest the 2017 annual meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention being held next week in Phoenix, AZ."
http://www.bpnews.net/48981/prolgbt-group-plans-protest-at-sbc-2017
While I'm an ally of the LGBTQ+ community, that is just a waste of time. The SBC doesn't even recognize fully the gifts of women. Get them into the 20th century before you try to get them into the 21st.
William Thornton wrote:The folks were present outside the convention center passing out stuff. They were very sedate, quiet, smiling, and clever. Their handout had the logo and theme of the annual meeting, probably a trademark or copyright infringement. That made it look like it was an SBC group.
No big deal.
Jon Estes wrote:Timothy Bonney wrote:
While I'm an ally of the LGBTQ+ community, that is just a waste of time. The SBC doesn't even recognize fully the gifts of women. Get them into the 20th century before you try to get them into the 21st.
But they do recognize the complete trustworthiness and infallibility (incapable of error) of scripture and the Word of God speaks clearly to the LGBT sin and to the fullness of God gifting women. Some of those in the 21st and 20th century needs to put their scissors downwhile reading the Bible.
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