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SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolution

Postby Sandy » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:58 pm

http://www.wbrc.com/story/32221893/sout ... cial-unity

There might have been some who thought this resolution wouldn't make it off the floor. Not only did it make it, but the watered down version proposed by the resolutions committee was strengthened considerably before it was passed. The SBC has made it clear how it feels about the confederate flag. It is not, in their opinion, a memorial to those who died in the Civil War, or a symbol of "Southern culture and values." It's not possible to get past the statements of confederate leaders, and its foundational documents, which declared not only a belief that African Americans were inferior to whites, and were willed by God to be slaves, but that this belief was a core value of the Confederate States.

Jerry Young, president of the National Baptist Convention, joined in a discussion with SBC pastors of various races, brought together by Ronnie Floyd, on racial reconciliation. This isn't the first time leaders from the National Baptists have had this dicussion with SBC leaders, or have been present and visible at the convention. What do you think, William? Are we coming close to a merger? The two groups already have a fraternal relationship that goes back to the days when the SBC provided financial support to the college and seminary in Nashville. There are a lot of dually affiliated churches between the two.
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Its a joke

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:38 am

Until SBC leadership are honest about the racism of Helms, Pressler and McAteer, the driving forces in the takeover, and have a working conversational knowledge of Atwater's memo about the morphing and evolution of wedge issues in the politics of SBC most notably in Land in concert with Rove through the Bush era, Russ Moore's tears are crocodile tears.
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Re: Its a joke

Postby Sandy » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:31 am

Stephen Fox wrote:Until SBC leadership are honest about the racism of Helms, Pressler and McAteer, the driving forces in the takeover, and have a working conversational knowledge of Atwater's memo about the morphing and evolution of wedge issues in the politics of SBC most notably in Land in concert with Rove through the Bush era, Russ Moore's tears are crocodile tears.


Sorry, Stephen, but time, the SBC, and the whole world, have moved on. This isn't really relevant even if you're living in the past, but it is certainly not so now.
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SBC lags about 15 years behind on things that matter.

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:07 am

One, Sandy, Wuthnow's book is about two years old now as is Balmer on the role of the Takeover of the SBC re President Carter. So it is true the History is Not Revisionist but tells the truth about the Texas Regulars, the Citizens Council and the Leadership of the Takeover.

World is passing Russ Moore by. Here is what they shoulda been talking about while they were finishing up skirmishes of the Civil War which last time I checked was 150 years ago

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/16/opini ... share&_r=0
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Re: SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolut

Postby William Thornton » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:28 pm

Stephen, of course, is stuck in the 1980s. Hasn't had a new thought in a generation.
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Pressler not allowed to Speak

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:02 pm

http://religionnews.com/2016/06/14/sout ... ttle-flag/

Im bumbfuzzled by Pressler not getting the microphone. Ronnie Floyd owes everything to Pressler.

And it is simply not Biblican for Thornton to suggest I haven't had a new though since the 80s. He musta had a brainfreeze and got me confused with Vince Dooley minus the master gardener status. :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick:
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Timing Matters, JPierce makes my point

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:29 pm

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Re: Pressler not allowed to Speak

Postby Sandy » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:17 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:http://religionnews.com/2016/06/14/southern-baptists-discontinue-the-display-of-the-confederate-battle-flag/

Im bumbfuzzled by Pressler not getting the microphone. Ronnie Floyd owes everything to Pressler.

And it is simply not Biblican for Thornton to suggest I haven't had a new though since the 80s. He musta had a brainfreeze and got me confused with Vince Dooley minus the master gardener status. :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick:


It's a different generation now, Stephen. It is interesting that Pressler even had to get in line, and wait his turn during the discussion, and that's evidence that time has indeed moved on. Floyd had to wait his turn at the presidency, as well. You need to get yourself up to date. The conservative resurgence, which wasn't in any way, shape or form a "takeover," happened long ago, and the SBC has moved well beyond it, as well as beyond the withdrawal of a few churches here and there who didn't like the change.

And so here, now is the SBC making some bold moves in racial reconciliation, and seems anxious to move forward on it quickly. I think that irks you because they aren't staying the same, and they are no longer the convention that existed in the 80's, or still exists in your mind somewhere.
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James Lankford New Face of SBC

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:46 pm

He has family ties to Tom Elliff

Lankford, a member of US senate Homeland Security was just on CNN--find utube--with Wolf Blitzer dodging questions about the political power of the NRA

Im with Johnny Pierce as distinct toSandy. The SBC lags behind about 15 years and they will belate ongun control just like now they are a generation late on Confederate flag after using like metrics in their takeover. We are 150 years away from slavery, about 50 from Jim Crow and ten or 15 from the fundamentalist takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention spearheaded by racists like Pressler Helms and Mcateer.

Mohler and Moore stand on their shoulders.

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Re: SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolut

Postby Sandy » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:27 pm

You know, Stephen, your themes kind of stay the same, except every now and then you pick up on something that's a hot topic. You've never mentioned anywhere in your long diatribes and name dropping sessions, anything about Pressler, McAleer or Helms being racist. Until, that is, the discussion turns to racial reconciliation. Now they're racists. I guess they've ceased being John Birchers, which was one of your previous themes. And that was after just being political conservatives with their eye on the votes of Southern Baptists.

Won't be long before we'll discover that Pressler has connections to ISIS.
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I cant do anything about your ignorance

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:51 pm

I like you Sandy but if you didn't know the Citizens Council, the Regs and the Birchers were racists there is not much I can do for your ignorance.

I have been talking about the driving force of the takeover for 20 years now. In the last two years Wutnow in Rough Country has pretty much ratified what I have been saying about Pressler,Helms, Albert Lee Smith and McCateer all along not to mention the consistency of Bill Moyers.

I didn't know you were just faking attention.

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Helms Barry McCarty refuses to acknowledge Pressler

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:52 am

http://www.ethicsdaily.com/southern-bap ... -cms-23483

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Stephen needs a new song and dance routine

Postby Sandy » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:14 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:I have been talking about the driving force of the takeover for 20 years now. In the last two years Wutnow in Rough Country has pretty much ratified what I have been saying about Pressler,Helms, Albert Lee Smith and McCateer all along not to mention the consistency of Bill Moyers.


Uh huh.

I guess my question is why? The resurgence (takeover, whatever) was more than a generation ago. It seems kind of meaningless to try and chase down conspiracy theories supported by after-the-fact authors who point to some obscure fact or niche as evidence of their corner on the truth to prove why it happened. There are some pretty obvious conclusions. The resurgence leadership discerned the critical differences between the narrow and exclusive core of leadership in the SBC prior to 1979 (one author points to the fact that the membership of fewer than 150 churches accounted for over 80% of the trustee board and executive leadership of the SBC) and almost everyone else who wasn't part of that core, and crafted a message that emphasized them. Honestly, it didn't matter that it was Patterson and Pressler who figured out how to bring about leadership change in the backward and provincial "good ole boy" SBC structure, nor that it was high profile preachers like Adrian Rogers and Jerry Vines who articulated it. Change, and a move in a more conservative direction, was inevitable. The leadership was too far to the left, too entrenched and exclusive, too distant from its constituency, and if someone hadn't come along to push it in a more conservative direction, it would probably have split.

It took me a while to realize that what a lot of the ex-leadership was looking for, once they realized they were no longer SBC royalty, was to re-create some semblance of the old structure in order to have a place where at least some of the old prominente could still have titles, salaries and a small kingdom to rule. Initially, I believed the denials of the theological differences, and the claims that the SBC had been infiltrated by "fundamentalists," but gradually saw that the doctrinal differences were indeed real, and that there was a pretty wide separation in that department between the moderates and the conservatives. A lot of the provincialism, backwardness and elitism was exhibited by the new SBC leadership as well, unfortunately. Not much changed in that department in the early years, but as that generation ages and becomes less active, the leadership that is coming of age is much, much different, though still theologically conservative. Times have changed. Patterson having to wait his turn to get his three minutes at a microphone on a resolution, Pressler having to wait and then not getting the chance because the parliamentarian ruled on the time limit are certainly signs of that. And then, Pressler's little tirade about it, which was clearly out of order and inappropriate, being handled by simply cutting off his microphone, I'd have loved to have been there to have seen that.

The new SBC leadership that is emerging is young, much less entrenched in kingdom building and denominational structure, much less socially and politically conservative, but still strong on conservative theology. They'll figure out that the declines in membership and baptism won't be resolved at the denominational level, but are symptoms of problems in local churches, specifically, the red brick, white steepled, predominantly white churches that you find on courthouse squares in 'Bammie and 'Sippie. Growth is occurring like wildfire in its ethnic churches, and in geographic areas like the Northeast and inner cities of the upper Midwest. Hence you have a resolution on the confederate flag, a conference on racism, and the very visible presence of the President of the largest predominantly African American denomination in the country. Worthen, Wuthnow, and books like the second edition of Exiled are no longer relevant regarding what is happening in the SBC. Perhaps it is what it is as a result of its past, but it is sure turning a much different corner.
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Re: SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolut

Postby William Thornton » Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:12 pm

Hey, new conspiracy theories and nefarious connections are constantly born in Stephen's hyperactive mind. The past isn't really past..its recreated and embellished daily.
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Re: SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolut

Postby Tim Bonney » Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:20 pm

Sandy, that's an awful lot of writing to dip back into the argument of takeover/resurgence. :D

I have to agree with William that the events Stephen is stuck on are a generation ago. So I'm not sure now why it is so important for you to try to convince the rest of us who are either Moderate Baptists (or in my cased a former Baptist now progressive Methodist) that we are seeing things wrong. But surely past responses should make you realize you are wasting electrons with everyone here who doesn't already agree with you. :)
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Re: SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolut

Postby Sandy » Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:40 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:Sandy, that's an awful lot of writing to dip back into the argument of takeover/resurgence. :D

I have to agree with William that the events Stephen is stuck on are a generation ago. So I'm not sure now why it is so important for you to try to convince the rest of us who are either Moderate Baptists (or in my cased a former Baptist now progressive Methodist) that we are seeing things wrong. But surely past responses should make you realize you are wasting electrons with everyone here who doesn't already agree with you. :)


The response was for Stephen's benefit. On occasion, he posts a link that is right on target, though it might not reference or even mention his particular themes related to the SBC. He reasons that the number of responses to the thread indicate that a lot of people are reading it, and might be convinced by his argument. So mine is there, too, to be seen by the same such readers.

The SBC of late is quite a lot to absorb. Who'd have thought that Paul Pressler would be required to wait his turn in line at a microphone, and then would be denied the opportunity to speak because time expired. Then, when he finally did get a microphone to complain, the parliamentarian shut it off. That alone is a clear indication of change, not to mention the election of Fred Luter, the whole array of resolutions on racial equality, repudiation of the confederate origins of the denomination, and the increasingly close relationship to the nation's largest African American denomination. That's not the predicted result of those who think like Stephen does.
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If only what Sandy said were true

Postby Stephen Fox » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:14 am

But it isn't

Of course all stemwinders have a little truth inthem but on the whole Sandy is locked in to a distracting if not false narrative.

One of the most insightful analysis of the LBJ administration has been written in the last year, William and he was out of office before Pressler got rollin. So much for your Fox Stuck in time nonsense.

Back to Sandy, My last 30 year experience is Bama. Church of the Highlands has 14 campuses and pretty much face of SBC future in the state. Rick and Bubba are the popular face of the 14 campuses. Like the GOP is now the captive of the NRA, the flotsam and jetsam populists likeRick and Bubba have captured Pressler's SBC. All your veneer about this bright energetic young conservative leadership is just polishing up an old sick mule. My God they elected Steve Gaines.

Steve Gaines is gonna chart a better course for the next 40 years than the vision Marney and Bill Self and their kind had in the 60s. You got to be kiddin me. And then there is Trey Gowdy and the Franklin Graham machine at FBC Spartanburg. Pathetic analysis Sandy, Pathetic.
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Re: SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolut

Postby William Thornton » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:20 am

The SBC's newest churches have a heavy proportion that are minority and ethnic. It used to be that our favorite methodology of planting churches was to have one angry group of white folks split from another group of white folks and start their own church. Do this and repeat and, presto, you've got church multiplication.

Today, ethnic and African-American churches are quite common in the SBC. Some have dual affiliation. Minority representation as trustees and in entity positions is a goal stated by just about every SBC leader. It is routine on other online forums for me to interact with black pastors who are solidly SBC. This is all different than 20 years ago. John Pierce might note the tardiness of all this and have somewhat of a point but no one but frozen-in-time Fox would attempt to deny it.

As a fellowship of churches, I'd venture the wild conjecture that the CBF is much more lily white these days than the SBC. I recognize that the NBC expresses something about the CBF's values on race and ethnicity. A good task would be for one of you to give me a percentage of CBF churches that are minority and ethnic...but then I recall that there is no good way to determine exactly how many churches are uniquely or significantly (in terms of budget) CBF. Perhaps a couple of hundred?

The SBC is a slightly declining in membership but slightly increasing I numbers of churches. Sandy captures the moment by noting that even the two PPs, SBC royalty, have to stand in line with SBc commoners. The pastor of the SBC's most prominent mega-church (all that church's pastors have been SBC presidents, going back about a century) barely wins an election over a new-megachurch type whose main claim is that more IMB missionaries call his church their home church than any other church in SBC hIstory.

Pay attention, Stephen. Learn something.
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Postby Tim Bonney » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:04 pm

Last I read the SBC has about the same rate of decline that the UMC has, about 2%.
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Re: SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolut

Postby William Thornton » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:09 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:Last I read the SBC has about the same rate of decline that the UMC has, about 2%.


Two areas of increase for the SBC: $400m more in church receipts; more total number of churches.
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Postby Tim Bonney » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:33 pm

William Thornton wrote:Two areas of increase for the SBC: $400m more in church receipts; more total number of churches.


One would hope that more churches would leader to more members. (Unless it is more angry people splitting. :D )
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Re: SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolut

Postby Tim Bonney » Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:23 pm

Sandy wrote:The SBC of late is quite a lot to absorb. Who'd have thought that Paul Pressler would be required to wait his turn in line at a microphone, and then would be denied the opportunity to speak because time expired. Then, when he finally did get a microphone to complain, the parliamentarian shut it off. That alone is a clear indication of change, not to mention the election of Fred Luter, the whole array of resolutions on racial equality, repudiation of the confederate origins of the denomination, and the increasingly close relationship to the nation's largest African American denomination. That's not the predicted result of those who think like Stephen does.


I don't doubt that the SBC is different than it was 40 years ago. But the theology of the SBC hasn't returned to its original theology, even if the denomination has moved forward on racial issues and has moved away the founders of the takeover. The theology that was imbedded in the denomination at the takeover still is the expected doctrine for SBC churches.
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Re: SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolut

Postby Sandy » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:22 pm

William Thornton wrote:The SBC's newest churches have a heavy proportion that are minority and ethnic. It used to be that our favorite methodology of planting churches was to have one angry group of white folks split from another group of white folks and start their own church. Do this and repeat and, presto, you've got church multiplication.


In my home church in Arizona, church growth was the result of locating the folks moving to town from somewhere down South. One of the major employers in town was an electric wholesale provider, and when they contracted with a construction company from Jackson, Mississippi to do their line work, and they brought about 150 employees to town, our church doubled in size.

The SBC is losing members because its major constituency, which is still white southerners, is losing population. Made up of independent, autonomous churches, some are having difficulty figuring out what is causing their decline, and how to reverse it. A lot of those churches are very traditional and have difficulty making the kinds of changes to reach into a different demographic or culture, while the one they are familiar with is already saturated with church folks, and other than picking up a few members by transfer here and there when they get tired of their preacher, or offended when something changes, they aren't going to grow. The places and churches where the growth is taking place don't have the same kind of numbers.

The fact that the convention can move from a president like Fred Luter, to more traditional mega church types like Ronnie Floyd and Steve Gaines, and be employing leaders like David Platt and Russell Moore, is a testimony to the diversity and change that is occurring. Frank Page is outside the old inner circle of the resurgence core, as is Thom Rainer, Jeff Iorg, and Danny Akin. Richard Land had to go outside the family of SBC institutions for his "out to pasture" job, something that wouldn't have happened a couple of decades ago. The continued diversity of board and committee appointments under Floyd's presidency is evidence that this is more than just talk, including the very conspicuous presence and involvement of the president of the NBC.

Oh, and by the way, Franklin Graham isn't a member of FBC Spartanburg. Last I knew, he was Presbyterian.
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Re: SBC Overwhelming in affirmation of Dr McKissic's resolut

Postby Sandy » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:43 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:
Sandy wrote:The SBC of late is quite a lot to absorb. Who'd have thought that Paul Pressler would be required to wait his turn in line at a microphone, and then would be denied the opportunity to speak because time expired. Then, when he finally did get a microphone to complain, the parliamentarian shut it off. That alone is a clear indication of change, not to mention the election of Fred Luter, the whole array of resolutions on racial equality, repudiation of the confederate origins of the denomination, and the increasingly close relationship to the nation's largest African American denomination. That's not the predicted result of those who think like Stephen does.


I don't doubt that the SBC is different than it was 40 years ago. But the theology of the SBC hasn't returned to its original theology, even if the denomination has moved forward on racial issues and has moved away the founders of the takeover. The theology that was imbedded in the denomination at the takeover still is the expected doctrine for SBC churches.


Actually, I think the theology of the SBC leadership has gradually come to be representative of what was present in most of the churches all along, and the present views go back to at least the Baptist Faith and Message in 1925. The theology of much, not all, of the convention's leadership in the years before the resurgence was out of step with that of most of the churches. I don't think there's really an expectation of doctrine for most churches, I think that's reversed, and the churches now expect the denominational leadership to reflect their theology. It's not possible to change the theological foundations of 50,000 churches via denominational business sessions. Other than repudiation of the abberant doctrines that surrounded the SBC's founding, Southern Baptist churches are pretty mainstream when it comes to holding to the doctrine around which Baptists were birthed.
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Postby Tim Bonney » Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:44 pm

I'm willing to bet if some fundamentalist preacher hadn't brought up the word "inerrancy" some years ago the lay people wouldn't be demanding that anyone believe it because they'd have never heard of it.

I applaud the SBC's move to more diverse churches. I hope that diversity will move its way up to leadership.
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