Moderator: William Thornton
“Well, we’re all out looking for him and I turn the corner and there he is,” Patterson said. “And I said, ‘Vines, thank goodness I found you.’ It was about 8:30 the morning of the convention; he’s got to nominate him at 2:00. I said, ‘You’re nominating Charles.’ And Vines says, ‘I’m doing what?’ and I said ‘You’re nominating Charles Stanley for president.’ He said, ‘Charles said he wasn’t going,’ and I said, ‘He changed his mind.’ I said, ‘He’s going, and you’re nominating him.’ He said, ‘I’m not even for him,’ and I said: ‘It doesn’t make any difference. You’re nominating him.’”
Pressler said he received unexpected encouragement when a friend returned from a conference with a message for him from Francis Schaeffer, an evangelical theologian whose writing influenced a number of young preachers who went on to become leaders in the Religious Right.
“I’m shocked that Dr. Schaeffer would know who I was,” Pressler said. The message was, “You tell him that I pray for him every day, because the future of evangelical Christianity in America depends on what happens in the Southern Baptist Convention.”
“If that’s what Dr. Francis Schaeffer believed, then that jarred me,” Pressler said. “And it meant that winning was not optional; winning was mandatory.”
Stephen Fox wrote:Mrs Haruo as much as I appreciate your and Mr Haruo's appreciation for the Sacred Harp you are out to lunch on the ongoing significance of the fundamentalist takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention and continued attempts of Judge Pressler and the like to put a smiley face on it.
KeithE wrote:Thanks Fox for bringing up this new historical article. While I’ve long been an advocate of complete SBC/CBF separation, a little history of the "conservative resurgence" or “takeover" (or whatever you want to call it) never hurts.
Ed Pettibone wrote:KeithE wrote:Thanks Fox for bringing up this new historical article. While I’ve long been an advocate of complete SBC/CBF separation, a little history of the "conservative resurgence" or “takeover" (or whatever you want to call it) never hurts.
Ed: Keith what in the ABP story is new ? Did you see my post in this thread three post up, where I give page numbers for where Pressler said the same thing in his Book written in 1999?
And I provided a source for "the other side of the story".
William Thornton wrote: Lately, all the CBFers are clamoring, 'let's move on.'
Sandy wrote:William Thornton wrote: Lately, all the CBFers are clamoring, 'let's move on.'
To where would they go? They can't get too far from their one ongoing, consistent theme, trying to convince people that they are right, that the conservative resurgence came along and "took over their" convention with its personal kingdoms, and they seem to want to continue pushing that theme until someone listens and affirms it. I heard "let's move on" from CBF for more than a decade of being involved in it, it was always nice Wednesday night supper talk about what it would look like in the future, but never much more than that.
Sandy wrote:If CBF has moved on, then why would Pressler and Patterson's reminiscing, or even making an appearance at Midwestern, be newsworthy for them? There was nothing new in anything that Pressler said, nothing inaccurate, and nothing that a group that has "moved on" would be interested in reading about.
Sandy wrote:That doesn't come across from CBF's press releases, especially such as the one Stephen posted here. It doesn't sound like "we've moved on" it sounds like "the meanies won and we can't get past it." Every time I hear the word "takeover" it underlines and emphasizes the fact that CBF not only hasn't moved on, but there is still resentment over it. I can't figure out how people who belong to, and have full voting rights in an organization can "take over" something they have every right and ability to lead according to the existing rules, but that's an attitude that speaks a lot louder than the words, "We've moved on and we're doing great things." It says "we haven't moved on and we have an inferiority complex about it."
Bob Allen is a CBF, ABP writer and editor, and it must be coming from somewhere for him to bring it up as frequently as he does.
Sandy wrote:OK. We'll disconnect the two, except that I believe ABP receives a lot of its financial support from CBF. Hard to ignore other stuff that Allen writes, though, which does make a connection.
The "independent, autonomous, it's his baby" thing works, but only up to a point.
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