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Re: Molly Worthen on SBC Takeover, Francis Schaeffer, etc

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:49 pm
by Sandy
Stephen Fox wrote:Molly Worthen does not hate Francis Schaeffer. Only the most thin skinned chip on the shoulder fundy would read Molly in context and come to that conclusion. She does talk about the exchange he had early on with Mark Noll, and find him on the whole to be full of "bluster". At one point she refers to him as a "demagogue". Roger Olson interprets it all as Molly dismissing FS as a "charlatan".


Pseudo Intellectuals like Worthen can't stand Shaeffer because he can match wits with them, and his arguments and scholarly foundation for evangelical, conservative Christianity blows holes in their position.

Read Schaeffer, Stephen. It's obvious you haven't.

I'm sorry, Sandy; Jury is in and Schaeffer fails

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:08 pm
by Stephen Fox
Not just Worthen, but a consensus, he got in over his head, and early on when Mark Noll began peer review, Schaeffer got whiney, just like the SBC Fundies the second day of the Conference on Inerrrancy in Ridgecrest 87!

Re: Molly Worthen on SBC Takeover, Francis Schaeffer, etc

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:19 pm
by Sandy
A consensus of who, a few other pseudo-intellectuals biased against a conservative, evangelical view of Christianity?

Pick two of Schaeffer's works, any two, read them, and when you've done that, I'll come back to this conversation and we can talk. I've read everything he wrote, including A Christian Manifesto for Dr. Denison's apologetics class at Southwestern before the board was controlled by the conservative resurgence. Even during the Naylor and Dilday area, his work, to date, was required reading in some classes there, and if I'm not mistaken, I believe he spoke in chapel there once or twice, before my time. And that was under educational leadership that you think was right on target.

David Gushee and ABP inadequate for not reading Molly

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:48 pm
by Stephen Fox
Gushee told me he has not read Moly to date. Right now I am listening to her UNC Radio interview where she talks more about Francis Schaefer.

Here is Gushee, part Two! ... xoEtD9dVDo

Here is Gushee's Part III

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:39 pm
by Stephen Fox
Good work, but again a shame he did not bring a mastery of Worthen to the exercise. ... yDhl9iA2M8

Will Balmer Mollify Sandy at All?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:12 pm
by Stephen Fox

Great tweak on Schaeffer and Ronald Reagan

PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:29 pm
by Stephen Fox

More on Schaeffer from Steven Miller

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 11:59 am
by Stephen Fox ... od&f=false

Scrool around pages 35-52 in the link above and see the links in the Balmer Marsh discussion in Faith and Practice.

Molly Worthen on failure of Con Resurgence and SBC Decline

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:41 pm
by Stephen Fox