Neil Heath wrote:After reading this topic, I have to say I agree with Timothy and Dave, and disagree with Sandy. I am married to a teacher and have seen and heard much of elementary school life for 30 years. Perhaps Sandy is referring to something at the HS level that I haven't seen.
I have seen countless students come to my campus ministry program from public schools with solid faith in Christ, and have never heard one complain about what they were taught in HS as being un-Christian in any way.
I would add that in my 30 years of work with college students, I could count on one hand the number of professors I have heard criticized for the kind of things Sandy seems to believe are rampant in education. I have heard plenty of criticism of profs, but for assignments, tests, etc.
I fail to see what Sandy sees.
I can appreciate the anecdotal evidence that has been provided in this thread. The information about what I've said is readily available, you can pull curriculum guides or state standards off the internet. Of course, if you don't use the Bible as an objective standard for Christian theology, and you accept evolutionary theory and homosexuality as norms, and you think faith and the rest of life are separate domains, then you're probably not going to see a lot to which you would object. I, too, am married to a teacher, and my wife and I both have recent experience in the public education system. We know exactly what is there.
Michael Wrenn wrote:I think the federal government has destroyed the quality of public education in this country.
In some ways, I would agree with that. NCLB, the Bush 43 educational "initiative" was largely drawn from the Texas model that H. Ross Perot helped to put in place when he decided that the best way to run an education system was like a "bidness," and tie test scores to bonus money and salary increases. I cannot imagine the shrieking, contorting and screaming that the tea party would have done had this been an Obama administration program, but it was Bush, and so nothing was said, and their hypocrisy is evident. The Common Core standards, adopted by 45 states as a result of NCLB, are drawn from UNESCO documents. Now there's something to wrap your mind around. The last Republican
President is responsible for interjecting the US Department of Education into the individual states by strong arm tactics which threatens them with loss of federal funds if they don't adopt the program, which is, itself, a product of one of the most liberal, socialist-dominated organizations of the United Nations. In one fell swoop he violated state's rights, spent an inordinate amount of money in bribery, and promoted socialism. And they let him do it. I never heard Rush, or Glenn, or Sean, or even Anne Coulter, ever object to it.
But the Feds are not the only ones responsible. Go back to that H. Ross Perot Texas "bidness" model for schools. That worked well, if the goal was to plummet the state's education department to the bottom of the pile, and cause the State Department of Education in Mississippi to raise their hands and say, "Thank God for Texas!" The idea that test scores should be tied to compensation simply caused education systems, state by state, to do several things. One, they developed curriculum that "teaches to the test," which, as much as Bush liked to think that was a reasonable goal, narrowed the curriculum and forced teachers to direct their time and effort only to test material. When I taught in the public school, we spent nine, yes, nine days a year working on benchmarks. By the time the kids took the test, they were burned out by all of the testing. Two, the corruption is rampant, with administrators erasing answers and putting in correct ones, falsifying scores, telling certain students not to show up at school on test days. This is why 80% of the students who are admitted to medical school in the US come from outside the country.
I've looked at Common Core. For one thing, our school will not be teaching that there is truth in all world religions, and that each of them has a valid point that connects them to God. For another, I would be embarrassed if that's all our students could do at the end of each grade level. Our kids are reading, and writing, and using a graphic application on a computer by the end of first grade. In the public system, that doesn't occur until third grade, and they only have to achieve 70% of the objectives to be considered "proficient."