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But this is Ed you're talking about, Sandy, and I don't think "open-minded and tolerant progressive" would be what he would claim to be. Like you, he holds positions on various topics that the "open-minded and tolerant progressive" crowd often find internally dissonant.

If I were looking for an authority, it would never be T. C. Pinkney. He is a liability for an argument. For 30 years now, he has published "The Baptist Banner," most of which he writes. It is virulently anti-public education and is constantly on the attack toward "secularization," and toward all Democratic politicians. He also has sent unsolicited information packets to vacant churches promoting "God's man for their church." He used to be endorsed by the SBCV, but they have distanced themselves from Pinkney.

I thought I'd write a separate note about another statement Sandy made.

Is my theology a "moving target?" I'd have to say yes and no.

As long as I've known enough to know I have believed in the same essentials of the faith I've always believed in. I know Baptists don't like creeds but I can, without reservation, agree with every statement in the Apostle's Creed. That hasn't changed from SBC to ABC to UMC.

However I do believe my faith has changed and continues to change and I think that is true for most Christians. I'm not saying that you all will change churches as I did. But I think most of you allow for new information and growing maturation to effect your viewpoints.

But I would be worried about any Christian who tells me that they believe EXACTLY the same thing they believed about EVERYTHING 20 years ago. I'd be concerned that maybe they don't read the Bible, don't study, don't pray and don't discuss faith much.

Ed: Note the Shortt & Pickney resolution of 2004 SB Convention mentioned above Failed. So it seems the bulk of the messengers at that Convention where not overly impressed with Pickney and Shortt's arguments any more than I was when sandy re-posted them in this forum. And this was 12 years after the take over crowed within the SBC has declared victory.

Sandy why in the world did you include those two in your list of authorities on this subject?