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Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby Sandy » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:34 am

Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

http://www.sbclife.org/Articles/2013/06/sla5.asp

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William:If the above link doesn't work try this one:

http://www.sbclife.org/mobile/wrapper.asp?ref=http://www.sbclife.net/Articles/2013/06/Sla5.asp
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby Haruo » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:41 am

Looks well-crafted to me.
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby William Thornton » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:21 am

I have followed this closely and will have a witty, erudite, and sagacious piece on it soon.
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby TrudyU » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:33 pm

William Thornton wrote:I have followed this closely and will have a witty, erudite, and sagacious piece on it soon.


Ed Pettibone, William I hope you have that ready for us before we go vacationing and conventioning latter this month. We will be leaving the 18th and should return July 1st or 2nd.
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby William Thornton » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:52 pm

TrudyU wrote:
William Thornton wrote:I have followed this closely and will have a witty, erudite, and sagacious piece on it soon.


Ed Pettibone, William I hope you have that ready for us before we go vacationing and conventioning latter this month. We will be leaving the 18th and should return July 1st or 2nd.


Ed, expect it no later than Monday. The world spins a bit faster these days.
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby Haruo » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:27 pm

The world spins a bit faster these days ... dreidlgenic global warming?
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby Sandy » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:45 pm

Actually, William has a pretty good blog post about the Calvinism Advisory Committee, http://sbcplodder.blogspot.com. There are two. One about what the committee got right, and one from a few days back when he was speculating about what they would do. Good guess, on the second article, and good analysis on the first one.
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby TrudyU » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:27 am

Sandy wrote:Actually, William has a pretty good blog post about the Calvinism Advisory Committee, http://sbcplodder.blogspot.com. There are two. One about what the committee got right, and one from a few days back when he was speculating about what they would do. Good guess, on the second article, and good analysis on the first one.


Ed: In the language of this committee are Non - Calvinism and Arminianism the same? if not was Arminianism broached by this committee in the least? If not Why not. And how is "Non Calvinism" defined?
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby William Thornton » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:33 am

Thanks, Sandy. I'm putting my brilliant, prescient, and insightful blog article in a new topic here.

Ed, the team used the term Arminianism only once but discussed the theology. The preferred term is "Traditionalist" in the SBC, though the committee avoided that, preferring "non-calvinist."
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby TrudyU » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:26 am

William Thornton wrote:Thanks, Sandy. I'm putting my brilliant, prescient, and insightful blog article in a new topic here.

Ed, the team used the term Arminianism only once but discussed the theology. The preferred term is "Traditionalist" in the SBC, though the committee avoided that, preferring "non-calvinist."


Ed: But William do they define either "Traditionalist" or non-calvinist. To me non-calvinist seams to put Calvinism in the default position. And in the history of world religions, Baptist of any stripe must stretch to identify ourselves as other than possiablly Baptist traditionalist. And yet there have been other Baptist as long as there has been the SBC. All three of the "settled pastorates" that my wife has held have been in local churches that predate the SBC. 1807, 1838 and 1783. Some with even a less Calvinist taint or for those who prefer, tint.

And BTW, Thank you William, for your report.
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:32 am

It is interesting that "non-calvinist" became the term used given that the "non-calvinist" position is the "traditional" position of the denomination. You seldom see people define their theology by what they aren't.
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby TrudyU » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:35 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:It is interesting that "non-calvinist" became the term used given that the "non-calvinist" position is the "traditional" position of the denomination. You seldom see people define their theology by what they aren't.


Ed: Tim, I don't think Bill Leonard would agree that Non-Calvinism - "is the "Traditional" position of the Denomination. I Will Have to look up a reference. But I will take a chance shot, to see how close I can come; to me, he presents two almost ever present branches of Baptist life at least as developed on this continent, with the dominance of one or the other at various times and places. But I do not recall him ever using the term Non Calvinist as a group designation. My Apology to Dr. B.J.L. if I am out in left field here. But hanging my self out to dry, is one way to force my self to check the sources.
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:43 pm

Ed I suppose "modified Calvinist" is what sticks in my memory. But that may not come from Bill Leonard.
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby Haruo » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:13 am

My impression is that both Calvinist and non-Calvinist strains go back to the earliest years of the movement; I think they were both well established in England even before immersion supplanted affusion.

More or less what you would expect of a non-hierarchical hybrid mixing Anglican and Mennonite gene pools.
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Re: Calvinism Advisory Committee statement

Postby TrudyU » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:05 am

Haruo wrote:My impression is that both Calvinist and non-Calvinist strains go back to the earliest years of the movement; I think they were both well established in England even before immersion supplanted affusion.

More or less what you would expect of a non-hierarchical hybrid mixing Anglican and Mennonite gene pools.


Ed; According to our host Bruce T. Gourley, Hauro you are correct. In his very convenient 126 page A CAPSULE HISTORY OF BAPTISTS, published by the Baptist History & Heritage Society, Atlanta, 201,0 p 19-20 Bruce writes of ENGLISH BAPTIST; Committed to freedom of conscience, English Baptist rejected the paradigm of that had prescribed and enforced christian doctrine since the
days of the early church. Putting their faith to paper in the form of non-authoritative confessions, while acknowledging the bible as their only trustworthy guide, the forged a new theological path. While General Baptist and Particular Baptist confessions focused on Arminian and Calvinistic theology, respectively, both groups affirmed believer's baptism, the authority of scripture, and religious liberty. Inherent within the theology of both groups resided a tension that remains to this day: a compulsion within the community to voice acceptable doctrinal beliefs within the broader context of respecting and preserving the freedom of individual conscience.

*Bruce T. Gourley is the President of the Baptist History & Heritage Society with headquarters in at the Mercer Atlanta Campus but he lives in Montana.
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