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Re: Elders in the SBC

Postby Tim Bonney » Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:24 pm

Linda,

I like consensus models. But (and maybe it is a male thing) but unless you have a small enough group that the whole group can get together for consunsus decisions all the time, I don't see how you run the day to day operations of a church with no one in charge of anything. I know an office can't work very well that way. Also larger organizations (and I'd place church with over 100 members in that category) need some form of accountability. If no one is in charge and everyone is in charge who gets to say that the lone ranger member can't do certain things on behalf of the church.

We have a lot of women in the UMC who have no problem being in charge including several women who are Bishops. :wink:
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Re: Elders in the SBC

Postby Ed Pettibone » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:29 pm

Tim Bonney wrote:Linda,

I like consensus models. But (and maybe it is a male thing) but unless you have a small enough group that the whole group can get together for consunsus decisions all the time, I don't see how you run the day to day operations of a church with no one in charge of anything. I know an office can't work very well that way. Also larger organizations (and I'd place church with over 100 members in that category) need some form of accountability. If no one is in charge and everyone is in charge who gets to say that the lone ranger member can't do certain things on behalf of the church.

We have a lot of women in the UMC who have no problem being in charge including several women who are Bishops. :wink:


Ed: Tim I love the idea of decisions being reached by "consensus", BUT even in small groups someone verbalizes his or her understanding of the consensus and other agree, too often due to peer pressure.
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Re: Elders in the SBC

Postby Tim Bonney » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:43 pm

Ed Pettibone wrote:
Ed: Tim I love the idea of decisions being reached by "consensus", BUT even in small groups someone verbalizes his or her understanding of the consensus and other agree, too often due to peer pressure.


Many of the committees at Grace work on a consensus model. But it is hard for the whole congregation to work that way. I agree, it is a fine idea that is harder to implement practically.
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Re: Elders in the SBC

Postby Haruo » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:51 am

As you probably all know, the Evergreen Region is run on a consensus model (doesn't mean we don't have an Executive Minister!) and we work very hard on learning to use it properly. Our annual meeting is coming up in a few days, and I'll probably report back on how it went; will try to keep this topic in mind for an update.
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Re: Elders in the SBC

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:27 pm

Haruo wrote:As you probably all know, the Evergreen Region is run on a consensus model (doesn't mean we don't have an Executive Minister!) and we work very hard on learning to use it properly. Our annual meeting is coming up in a few days, and I'll probably report back on how it went; will try to keep this topic in mind for an update.


I had forgotten that you work on that kind of model Haruo. My personal opinion is that such a model works better with smaller entities and maybe it works for your region because you are a smaller region. I have a hard time believing that we could have worked in Iowa at our Region meetings with a consensus model because of the size of the group attending.
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