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Dwight McKissic's Resolution at the SBC

Postby Sandy » Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:59 pm

I'm surprised that this news didn't generate a discussion here, at least attracting the attention of Stephen Fox.

http://dwightmckissic.wordpress.com/201 ... documents/

One of the comments:
comment wrote:The election of a Mormon as President with the support of evangelicals furthers the goal of Mormonism, America’s Islam, and it exposes these evangelicals as all along using their “faith” to further their own political agendas. It shows their faith as being false.


Perhaps the SBC isn't as far along down this road as the election of an African American president would indicate. The news about this seems like it was supressed by just about every news source covering the convention.

The Mormon church has had to repudiate a whole list of doctrines that it once taught as absolute truth and as the direct revelation of God to the living prophet of the church, including the practice of polygamy. With each repudiation, a segment of people have left the church and continued the practice because it is confusing to be told that something has come directly from a supreme, divine God who constantly changes his mind about things. And in recent years, many of the prophetic pronouncements have had to do with political expediency or with one of the church's major business investments.

Mormonism is, as one of the comments on the post suggests, "America's Islam," and if Mitt Romney is elected, they will use that to their full advantage in claiming legitimacy and advancing their cause. And regardless of the help provided to them by evangelicals who will vote for him because he is a Republican, they will trample and stomp evangelical Christian faith and doctrine underfoot to grab a more favorable position for themselves. Electing Mitt Romney will be the quickest and most direct route to quench the long-held hope of evangelicals for revival in America.
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Re: Dwight McKissic's Resolution at the SBC

Postby Ed Pettibone » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:44 am

Ed: This has the same ring as the anti catholic, anti Kennedy STUFF in the 1960's. And toss in some of the East West stuff from recent CBF board discussions. Although Obama is from Chicago not somewhere in Texas, he is not from the "God forsaken mission area of New England"tic .
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Re: Dwight McKissic's Resolution at the SBC

Postby Bruce Gourley » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:10 am

If anything, Romney's win of the presidential contest would more likely (in a fashion similar to what Jimmy Carter's election did for "evangelicals") shine the spotlight more brightly on LDS exclusive claims to truth, i.e., 1) their belief (taught by Joseph Smith as revelation from God and personally affirmed by all temple-worthy Mormons today, who must confess that Joseph Smith was God's true prophet and spoke the truth) that all Christian denominations are "an abomination" unto God, and 2) that true salvation can only be found through the LDS church.
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Re: Dwight McKissic's Resolution at the SBC

Postby ET » Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:10 am

Well, electing a fellow evangelical in GWB did not further anything (whatever that may be to whomever) or bring revival. I don't believe electing a non-evangelical will hinder revival. Revival is the sovereign of God. No politician of any party can do one single grain of sand's worth to bring it or suppress it.

Besides, Sandy, I believe you operate from a false premise. No evangelical I know among those with whom I associate thinks that putting the "right" politician in political office will do one thing to further a kingdom not of this world.
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Re: Dwight McKissic's Resolution at the SBC

Postby Tom Parker » Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:17 am

Sandy:

You said:"Electing Mitt Romney will be the quickest and most direct route to quench the long-held hope of evangelicals for revival in America."

I would really love to see you elaborate on this one statement. I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
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Re: Dwight McKissic's Resolution at the SBC

Postby Sandy » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:09 pm

I personally do not believe that electing a president has anything to do with revival in America. But I know a lot of evangelicals who think that's the case. And at any rate, if Romney, a Mormon, wins the election with the help of conservative Evangelicals, it subtracts from their credibility. The Mormons will lay claim to legitimacy among the "evangelical Christian" community. They are already doing it via his appearance on the graduation platform at Liberty. The Mormon church does not grow by winning converts to Christ, it grows by convincing people already involved in church that the one they're in is the wrong one. Baptists provide them with their largest share of proselytes.

BTW, George W. Bush was not an evangelical. He was an Episcopalian until he joined the United Methodist Church where his wife belonged. Neither of those groups self-define with conservative, evangelical Christianity in America. They comfortably consider themselves "Mainline Protestant."
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Re: Dwight McKissic's Resolution at the SBC

Postby Big Daddy Weaver » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:21 pm

The denomination is Mainline Protestant. But there are certainly evangelicals and evangelical churches within those denominations.

Ed Stetzer is highlighting an evangelical charismatic Bishop in The Episcopal Church this week on his blog.

Mark Tooley of the Institute for Religion & Democracy is most definitely an evangelical within the United Methodist Church. Over the years, most - pretty sure all - mainline denominations have had evangelical renewal movements.

The Methodist congregation that Bush attended in Crawford is evangelical. Just another rural country church not that different from many rural Texas Baptist churches in the area.

Bush spoke of having a conversion experience and being born-again, much like Jimmy Carter. I'd say that makes him an evangelical who embraced a "heresy" or two...
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Re: Dwight McKissic's Resolution at the SBC

Postby Ed Pettibone » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:03 am

Ed: Aaron when you say "The denomination is Mainline Protestant" of what denomination are you speaking.

And when you say "But there are certainly evangelicals and evangelical churches within those denominations", may we assume you are including ABCUSA in "those denominations"? Indeed the Individual that the ABCNYS Board of Missions elected last week, as our new Regional Executive Minister, Introduced himself prior to the vote, as identifying theologically as an Evangelical Christian.
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Re: Dwight McKissic's Resolution at the SBC

Postby Sandy » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:07 am

Big Daddy Weaver wrote:Bush spoke of having a conversion experience and being born-again, much like Jimmy Carter. I'd say that makes him an evangelical who embraced a "heresy" or two...


The "born again" talk didn't start until his campaign for the Presidency did. What he has actually said on the subject is fairly limited. The photo ops on Sundays when he and Laura were at the ranch were made at Highland Park United Methodist Church, next door to SMU in Dallas. In Washington, perhaps because of tradition, or perhaps because once he was in, he didn't have to keep up appearances, he most frequently attended St. John's Church, which is welcoming and affirming, and staunchly Episcopalian. In fact, he posed outside the door to St. John's one Sunday with Gene Robinson.

His speaking about Christianity, Judaism and Islam as being the world's three great religions, and all being legitimate paths to God take him out of the "evangelical" category, from my perspective.
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