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Parham contrasts ABC, SBC on racial diversity

Postby Haruo » Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:18 pm

ABNS wrote:ETHICSDAILY.COM HIGHLIGHTS AMERICAN BAPTIST DIVERSITY

VALLEY FORGE, PA (ABNS 6/21/09)—Robert Parham, of ethicsdaily.com, has posted an article highlighting the rich diversity of American Baptist Churches USA, which is reflected in gatherings such as the Biennial, taking place June 26-28 in Pasadena, CA.

To read the full article, go to http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=14383. Please note: this link will direct you away from the http://www.abc-usa.org website, and to the http://www.ethicsdaily.com website. Content used and linked with permission.
Actually my impression is that Parham mainly mentioned ABC not so much to highlight our diversity as to show up the alleged pretty-much-all-whiteness of the SBC. Par for the course. But we really are much more diverse than they are. ;-)
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Re: Parham contrasts ABC, SBC on racial diversity

Postby David Flick » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:23 am

Haruo wrote:
ABNS wrote:ETHICSDAILY.COM HIGHLIGHTS AMERICAN BAPTIST DIVERSITY

VALLEY FORGE, PA (ABNS 6/21/09)—Robert Parham, of ethicsdaily.com, has posted an article highlighting the rich diversity of American Baptist Churches USA, which is reflected in gatherings such as the Biennial, taking place June 26-28 in Pasadena, CA.

To read the full article, go to http://www.ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=14383. Please note: this link will direct you away from the http://www.abc-usa.org website, and to the http://www.ethicsdaily.com website. Content used and linked with permission.
Actually my impression is that Parham mainly mentioned ABC not so much to highlight our diversity as to show up the alleged pretty-much-all-whiteness of the SBC. Par for the course. But we really are much more diverse than they are. ;-)

Way late getting to this thread alert: Haruo, the lack of diversity is something I had never really considered while I was SBC. Here in Oklahoma there are many Native American and Hispanic SBC churches. But I can't think of (don't know of) any SBC black churches. I'm sure there are some, but I don't know about them. I was both amazed and proud to discover that the ABC is as ethnically diverse as is.

Interestingly, there is only one white ABC church in the whole state of Oklahoma (Community Baptist Church in Tulsa). There are, however, 15 Native American ABC churches in the state. So it works out that in Oklahoma, Native American ABC churches outnumber white ABC churches 15 to 1. Here's one situation where the Indians dominate the whites... :wink:
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Re: Parham contrasts ABC, SBC on racial diversity

Postby joel » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:30 pm

David, here in the deep south, there are no African-American SBC churches. Many SBC churches now accept membership from all ethnic groups, but I don't know of a church that is exclusively black and SBC. Predominantly white SBC churches have Latino mission programs and the churches that evolve from those missions naturally join SBC. I don't know of any mission work done by predominantly white SBC churches in black communities. Most of the black churches here in Georgia are AME churches with some National Baptists.
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Re: Parham contrasts ABC, SBC on racial diversity

Postby Big Daddy Weaver » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:49 pm

There are indeed African-American SBC churches in the deep south. And there are African-American SBC churches in Georgia. In the small south Georgia town where I grew up, I know of at least one such congregation that was affiliated with the SBC. A friend of mine who is the pastor of a small Southern Baptist church outside of the Atlanta-area has a regular golf game with two African-American pastors whose churches align with the SBC.

For years, the SBC has been considered the most ethnically diverse historically anglo Protestant body in the United States - more ethnically diverse than the Lutherans (ELCA), Presbyterians (PC-USA), Methodists (UMC) and Congregationalists (UCC). Assemblies of God is second.

Bottom line is that in the 80s and into the 90s, folks like Emmanuel McCall and the Home Mission Board did a good job of luring African-American Baptist congregations to affiliate with the Southern Baptist Convention. The truth here is that MANY of these African-American congregations are dually-aligned. Their original affiliation (and perhaps primary affiliation) is with one of the historically African-American Baptist groups such as NBC USA, NBC of America, PNBC, NMBC, etc. Pretty sure that Dwight McKissic's congregation in the DFW area is one such example of a dually-aligned primarily African-American congregation.

That's not the whole story obviously. But the SBC over the past couple decades, maybe three decades, been planting Korean, Hispanic, Chinese and even African-American churches. So, the ethnic diversity in the SBC is primarily a combination of relatively new church starts and older dually-aligned churches.

In Georgia as in most Deep South states, Baptists are the largest Christian group among African-Americans. The combination of Black Baptists from NBC USA, NBC of America, NMBC, PNBC and the unaffiliated is much greater than the number of African-Americans in AME churches. The Church of God in Christ would be second behind Baptists among African-Americans.

I don't know where Joel lives. But where I grew up in south Georgia there was a LARGE Black Baptist community and of course there remains a large Black Baptist community in the Atlanta area. Although in recent years, the number of African-Americans who attend non-denominational megachurches in urban areas has skyrocketed. See the success of megachurches pastored by Creflo Dollar and Eddie Long.
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Re: Parham contrasts ABC, SBC on racial diversity

Postby Mike Stidham » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:41 pm

joel wrote:David, here in the deep south, there are no African-American SBC churches. Many SBC churches now accept membership from all ethnic groups, but I don't know of a church that is exclusively black and SBC. Predominantly white SBC churches have Latino mission programs and the churches that evolve from those missions naturally join SBC. I don't know of any mission work done by predominantly white SBC churches in black communities. Most of the black churches here in Georgia are AME churches with some National Baptists.


This is quite a bump for a thread, but here in the East St Louis (ESL) area we have a number of SBC churches that are black. The SBC association there had a liaison to black ESL churches, partly because many of the formerly white SBC churches had been sold to black Baptist congregations. There was even one church downtown where the white pastor led the church to call a black assistant with the understanding that the white senior pastor planned to work himself out of a job and leave the pulpit to the assistant, citing the changing racial demographics.
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Re: Parham contrasts ABC, SBC on racial diversity

Postby Haruo » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:11 am

Mike Stidham wrote:...black ESL churches,...
I realize you mean "East St. Louis", but to me "ESL" means "English as a Second Language", so I would expect black ESL churches to consist largely of, say, Haitians.
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Re: Parham contrasts ABC, SBC on racial diversity

Postby Mike Stidham » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:05 am

Haruo wrote:
Mike Stidham wrote:...black ESL churches,...
I realize you mean "East St. Louis", but to me "ESL" means "English as a Second Language", so I would expect black ESL churches to consist largely of, say, Haitians.


Only here would ESL mean East St. Louis. I was interested in pursuing teaching English as a Second Language some years back. I remember getting excited looking at the local paper and seeing headlines about "ESL Schools"...only to realize they were talking about the community just west of where I live... :?
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