Christ born at pentecost

[grantsmill]

GODS division of the earth in the days of peleg according to the signs of the zodiac and its connection to the tribes of israel and the ten horns of the beast of revelation-arab spring.
Christ born at pentecost.
http://groups.google.ca/group/10hornedbeast-astrology 2010 revised 1-3.

[Haruo]

Ah, I see.

[Haruo]

http://groups.google.ca/group/10hornedbeast-astrology 2010 revised 1-3.

Try https://groups.google.com/group/10hornedbeast-astrology/browse_thread/thread/1593b6111f7e6ed4?hl=en#...

I am left wondering "so what".

[Haruo]

You wrote 'in the scripture there are exactly six women named mary"; that may be true in most English Bibles, but it is not true in the original autographs. The total number of women named "Mary" in the original scriptures is zero, and you left out one of the most important ones who shared a name with the ones the English translators call Mary: Mary the sister of Moses. Surely the shift from six such women to seven is of seismic effect on the date of Jesus' birth or the timing of his return.

[Dave Roberts]

You wrote 'in the scripture there are exactly six women named mary"; that may be true in most English Bibles, but it is not true in the original autographs. The total number of women named "Mary" in the original scriptures is zero, and you left out one of the most important ones who shared a name with the ones the English translators call Mary: Mary the sister of Moses. Surely the shift from six such women to seven is of seismic effect on the date of Jesus' birth or the timing of his return.

[Gene Scarborough]

Hocus Pocus Numeroso!!!!

[Lamar Wadsworth]

Probably one of those drive-by trolls we'll never see again. I would imagine one of our alert moderators has already zapped him. BZZZP!

[grantsmill]

mary conceived Jesus in the sixth biblical month late summer when the sun was in the constellation of virgo the virgin-a virgin shall conceive.gabriel says to mary your cousin elizabeth has also conceived.mary refers to the great things that have already been done to her.elizabeth calls mary a mother and refers to the fruit of her womb.the birth of Christ took place nine months later at the feast of weeks-first fruits-pentecost in the third biblical month when the sun was in the constellation of gemini-benjamin.the kings james version in the margin refers to the sons of a man called benjamin as the sons of a man called jemini(gemini).like joseph and king david(tribe of judah) the tribe of benjamin also represent the life of Christ.
king saul before samuel annointed him king sat down at a feast and was given the shoulder of meat from the sacrifice,this would be the heave shoulder only lawful for a priest(levi) to eat.showing king saul was a priest.THE HIGH PRIEST.
when benjamin the patriarch was born his mother called him benoni the son of my sorrow-the crucifixion his father called him benjamin the son of the right hand-the resurrection.
the apostle paul who was of the tribe of benjamin on his trip to rome makes mention of a ship whos FIGUREHEAD was castor and pollux the gemini twins.
james and his brother john were called the sons of thunder by Jesus.when you super heat air it expands and causes thunder.but which air sign would it be.aquarius libra gemini? this story talks about johns mother asking Christ to put one on the right hand and the other on the left hand.the tribe of benjamin several times in the old testament is referred to in connection with the right and left hand.john and his brother james were both of the tribe of benjamin.

[Haruo]

Okay grantsmill. This is all wonderful, but it isn't clear to me that you have factored in Moses' sister. Frankly you come across as a loon. (And I'm not saying that to put you down for being Canadian.)

Of course a late spring birth for Jesus is quite reasonable, without any recourse to gematriah and astrology. Your invocation of Saul intrigues me. But I don't get the impression you know how to engage in the sort of discourse that would enable me to understand your reasoning (if reasoning it be).

[grantsmill]

the numbers three and seven in the bible repeated more than any other? the birth in the third biblical month,the return in the seventh at the feast of tabernacles.

don"t know anything about miriam being named mary,maybe you can tell me where to look-read.

my response to the loon comment.strive to be kicked out of the synagouge or denomination.Christ is not divided.

[Haruo]

the numbers three and seven in the bible repeated more than any other? the birth in the third biblical month,the return in the seventh at the feast of tabernacles.

don"t know anything about miriam being named mary,maybe you can tell me where to look-read.

my response to the loon comment.strive to be kicked out of the synagouge or denomination.Christ is not divided.

Didn't Christ already return in 1844 when the Báb died? Three and seven are powerful numbers, but you are paying too much attention to figuring it out. He comes when he is least expected (which is neither Saturnalia nor Pentecost not Tabernacles).

Miriam and Mary are the same name; Miriam [ מִרְיָם ] is the Hebrew form, Maria the Latin, Mary the English, etc. You'd do well to learn the original languages.

Where are three and seven, if Christ prays that we may all be one?

[Haruo]

Interesting that according to Strong's, Miriam (and hence Mary) etymologically means "rebellion"!

[Gene Scarborough]

Wo--wo---wo--wooo------and the world is going to end in 2012 too

I'm interested, but now impressed with the numero and lingo stuff!

[Cathy]

Hocus Pocus Numeroso!!!!

Your best comment yet, Gene. Congratulations!

[grantsmill]

i'm not qualified to re-write the king james version of the bible.why they choose to call the six marys mary and miriam miriam i don't know.

polar opposite of the constellation of virgo is the constellation of pisces the 12th sign of the zodiac.in the scripture there are exactly twelve men named simeon or simon.simeon-taurus the bull(the order of the tribes and the zodiac in the link).in the Temple there was a round sea of brass with 12 oxen holding it up.this as you know is where the priests-levi washed.simeon and levi were scattered into all the "12" tribes of israel over the issue of dinah.

[Haruo]

i'm not qualified to re-write the king james version of the bible.why they choose to call the six marys mary and miriam miriam i don't know.

polar opposite of the constellation of virgo is the constellation of pisces the 12th sign of the zodiac.in the scripture there are exactly twelve men named simeon or simon.simeon-taurus the bull(the order of the tribes and the zodiac in the link).in the Temple there was a round sea of brass with 12 oxen holding it up.this as you know is where the priests-levi washed.simeon and levi were scattered into all the "12" tribes of israel over the issue of dinah.

Strikes me as odd that you think you're qualified to say what all the numerical and astrological data in the Bible mean, yet don't understand why King James' committee chose to transliterate the Hebrew but to translate the Greek. Have you heard of the term "idiot savant"?

[Timothy Bonney]

grantsmill, you seem to be using numerology. That is the same system of Biblical interpretation used by Harold Camping (as pointed out by Hauro.) It is a long discredited way of reading and interpreting scritpure. All you have to look at is Camping's failures to predict the second coming and you can see why.

[Haruo]

I'm not one to diss numerology, but I think it's absurd (and hubristic) to think it will yield the real-world, real-time month and year of the once-for-all return of Christ. Why on this old earth (or this young earth, if you prefer, but not this New Earth) would there be two thousand years of faithful Christians (not to mention a bunch of Jews) working on this, coming over and over and over again to incorrect conclusions--(always within their probable lifetimes; nobody ever uses it to show that, say, Jesus is coming back in May of 2349!)--and then all of a sudden here you come along and lo and behold, by George you've got it! Camping is only one of the more prominent and recent failures in a line stretching back before the Romans sacked Jerusalem. Only an incredible amount of self-inflated egotism, as far as I can see, can justify lining up to be the next failure.

Numerology is great, but use it to glorify God, not to set yourself up as the next in a long line of failures to claim to know what Jesus himself said was unknown. Please. Do yourself and us all a favor and, if you must be sure you've got it figured out, keep quiet so the rest of us don't accidentally sell all we have and go sit on the roof on your say-so.

[Timothy Bonney]

Hauro there are some things you can get out of the Bible by understanding numbering systems but numerology is generally viewed as a methodology for digging into the "hidden secrets" of the Bible. As such it has been discredited by mainstream scholars because it usually involves making a bunch of stuff up to fill in the holes.

[Haruo]

Hauro there are some things you can get out of the Bible by understanding numbering systems but numerology is generally viewed as a methodology for digging into the "hidden secrets" of the Bible. As such it has been discredited by mainstream scholars because it usually involves making a bunch of stuff up to fill in the holes.

I understand, but I also know that God works in strange and mysterious ways, and mainstream scholarship is in part defined by its tendency to eschew the strange and the mysterious. I find gematriyah and Cabbalistic stuff (in Judaism even more than in Christianity) very interesting, and sometimes as valid as sound exposition and exegesis. This is not to put down mainstream scholarship, nor to deny the potential for tragic and absurd consequences of numerological fantasizing. Did you hear that Pagels piece on Revelation that Fox linked a couple days ago? I only heard part of it myself, and must go back and listen to the whole thing.

[Timothy Bonney]

I have a friend who is a good Jewish scholar and the Zohar, which most Jewish Kabbalah is based on, is known to be a forgery according to him written many many years after the date it claims to have been written. It is interesting reading but hard to take seriously when the supposed originator is believed by many scholars to be a fraud. That is why the early church tried to have standards for what ended up in the cannon.

I've never been one to want to read symbolism into the text that it doesn't appear the author actually put there. I've seen some things where Augustine and others so allegorized certain texts that you actually lose the meaning of the original wording. To me that is failing to see the forest for the trees and also makes it way too easy to make the Bible say whatever you want it to say by creating an allegorical subtext.

Frankly this is the kind of things that bothers me even about certain very mainstream theologies which seem to contradict the plain reading of the text and Jesus' own words at times. For example, how do you defend persons being predestined to go to hell in Calvinism when Jesus plainly says "whosoever believes in me will not perish" ? I find it difficult any time it appears a post-Biblical theory makes Jesus out to be saying one thing when it seems he clearly said the oppostite in his own words.

[Gene Scarborough]

The end-time predictors thus far are------100% WRONG!!!

[Timothy Bonney]

The end-time predictors thus far are------100% WRONG!!!

But you have to give points for consistancy.

[Haruo]

Okay, I just finished listening to the entire Pagels NPR piece on Revelation, and I heartily commend it to all, and most especially to grantsmill.

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/07/148125942/the-book-of-revelation-visions-prophecy-politics

It looks to me like she has nailed it as far as chiliasm goes (that would be you, grantsmill); her read is pretty close to my own, though I think she may overstate the John-vs-Paul issue. Maybe not.

[grantsmill]

in 721b.c. the ten northern tribes were carried off to assyria.seven times later,2520 years-a day for a year in 1799a.d. the children of joseph ephraim-the british empire-commonwealth and manasseh-the united states received their birthright given to them by jacob who adopted them as his own.not a coincidence that 1799a.d. is the same year that they discovered the rosetta stone.ephraim and manasseh were half egyptian.after 1799a.d. ephraim-england and manasseh-u.s. became the worlds largest empire controlling the gates of their enemies-a world police force,controlling one quarter of the earth by the end of world war two.just like GOD promised abraham isaac and jacob.