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Sandy wrote:As previous OU bowl history has shown, such as Boise State and West Virginia, the Sooners aren't a sure thing in this one either.
Arizona had some real struggles toward the end of their season, losing some key players in the Stanford game, and then losing two of their last three by a missed field goal. They ought to be healthy by the time the Alamo Bowl rolls around, and that ought to be a close, exciting matchup.
T. D. Webb wrote:David Flick wrote:I'm excited for the Pokes to get the Wildcats for a bowl opponent. It looks as though the OkState came out on top with the bowl picks for Oklahoma teams. They'll get to play a real football team whereas the poor sooners will get a cupcake in their bowl game.
Well, William's "favorite Okie" finally came out of hiding and bravely claims excitement that his Pokes, who came up short once again against the Oklahoma Sooners two weeks ago, have the advantage of the "poor Sooners" in bowl opponents. Let's see: Whereas Arizona has lost its last 4 games of the season, is 7th in its conference, and is not ranked in the top 25 of any national poll with its 7-5 record this year, Connecticut has won 5 straight games and defeated both teams (West Virginia and Pittsburg) with which it tied for the Big East Championship in an 8-4 year. . .and is ranked #25 in the AP poll. Moral Question: If Connecticut is a "cupcake", does that make Arizona a "twinkie"?
... But what about the Sooners’ opponent, the Connecticut Huskies?
The Huskies, who finished 8-4 overall this season and aren’t even ranked in the final regular season BCS standings, earned their way into the Fiesta Bowl opposite the Sooners by emerging as champions of the Big (L)East, a conference that somehow maintains its status as an AQ, by defeating South Florida 19-16 on a last-second field goal.
The Huskies’ season resume hardly seems worthy of a New Year’s Day bowl appearance. Along their way to finishing 8-4, the Huskies were soundly defeated (30-10) by a mediocre Michigan squad; lost to Temple – a team that finished with an identical 8-4 record but has to sit home this bowl season due to not being part of the anointed class – by two touchdowns (30-16); lost 27-24 to Rutgers for Rutgers’ only conference win of the year and were shutout 26-0 by 6-6 Louisville.
Two of the Huskies’ wins this year came against those noted football powerhouses Eastern Kentucky and Arkansas State. All of which makes UConn the biggest New Year’s Day fraud since the advent of New Year’s resolutions.
This doesn’t portend well for the Sooners who are in a tough spot with this game.
A blowout win only confirms UConn did not belong, a close win, as much as an OU loss, would be considered victories for UConn. There really is nothing to gain for the Sooners in this contest.
For OU, the Fiesta Bowl is really the Can’t Win Bowl. No matter the outcome, the Sooners are not likely to garner much positive out of this contrived matchup.
David Flick wrote:My fellow Okie has on at least four occasions has admitted that he barely graduated from the 3rd grade but was an honor student in the 2nd grade. I would like to ask him a simple third-grade level question. Q: Has my fellow Okie taken the time to compare the strength of the two conferences from which the opponents of the two Oklahoma teams (Connecticut & Arizona) come??David Flick wrote:When it comes to comparing the strength of the two conferences, there's really no question which is the stronger. So to my fellow Okie (who barely graduated from 3rd grade), William's favorite Okie (who went from 4th grade to 5th on probation and gained steam thereafter, finally reaching a terminal degree in ministry), declares UConn may well be a tiny twinky rather than a small cupcake. Bottom line is that the Pokes face a much stronger opponent than the poor sooners in this year's bowl season. No question about it... Not debatable...
T. D. Webb wrote:David, it is with indescribable fear and trepidation that this Okie would so much as even attempt to refute your "salient" trash arguments (though, as refuse, one wonders from what kind of "dump" they were retrieved. . . ). Moreover, it could be credibly asserted that to further submit my primary school education resume to the withering blasts of condescension from a person whose higher education credentials are impeccable. . .is foolhardy, at best. Nevertheless, our intellectual hero from Enid engages this semi-literate Okie in requesting an answer to what is defined by the Enid prodigy as a "3rd grade level question". The short answer to your query, David, is . . . . . "Yes". However, there is an "infinitesimally minor detail of fact" that appears to matter little with you, David. In short, the bowl games to which we are referring will not be the case of any "conference" taking the field. Rather, it will be the teams in question who will validate our respective positions, or conversely invalidate our constitutionally protected opinions as just so much garbage. Therefore, the respective teams of young men will, themselves, be the "proof of the pudding" . . . just as it was the last 8 times your Pokes faced the Sooners with the Cowboys going down to defeat in 7 of those 8 clashes. One with significantly fewer logical faculties than you possess might even pause and question the strained rationale you propound . . . especially when said assertion is followed by the revelation of such prideful self-acclamation and bravado displayed in the comment, "Says who that Flick can't talk trash with the best of them?... " David, one cannot say with any confidence that you suffer from lack of self-esteem. . .especially when such a statement comes from one who appears to be challenged in even spelling the word, "twinkie", correctly.
Chris wrote:The post season should be a pool of only eight teams *** picked by a computer program.....no human voting by coaches or sportswriters. First weekend: 4 games; second weekend: 2 games; third weekend: one game for all the marbles. All seven games would get tremendous ratings.
Chris wrote:For the seven sites, use Pasadena, Miami, New Orleans, Dallas, Jacksonville, Atlanta, and one rotating site. Alternate the championship game between those 7 cities.
Blake wrote:I doubt people would be as inclined to watch a game that was picked by computers.
Blake wrote: How do you quantify how worked up a team is to win the game they are about to play? How do you take into account how much individual players contribute or don't contribute if serving suspension or is injured? How does changes in momentum during the game get accounted for? What about the level of difficulty playing in front of certain crowds can bring? All of these matter during the game and I doubt any computer can incorporate these nuances accurately or fairly.
Blake wrote: How about no. You obviously think a computer can more fairly pick teams but want to favor Southern crowd attendance?
Blake wrote: They can either match up the teams and find a stadium that is as close to the middle between the two teams home stadiums that could handle the crowd and play there.
Chris wrote:It has to be that way to be fair. People aren't objective (especially coaches). Computers are objective.
Chris wrote:I can't think of many things less important than the four you mentioned above. "Certain crowds" -- are you kidding? Momentum should be left out of it. Otherwise the games at the beginning of the season don't mean as much as games at the end.
Chris wrote:Northern locations. Detroit and Minneapolis have domes. They could be considered. BUT NOT TODAY! I picked the locations of the oldest bowl games (for tradition sake). They just happen to be in the south, because it's still warm there in January.
Chris wrote:And this has nothing to do with "border" rivalries. Where did THAT idea come from? Never mind. I don't want to know.
Chris wrote:And another thing! Must we have rock concerts and country concerts at half-time?. Let the music fans go to their events and the football fans go to/watch their events. The two don't mix.
The thinking at FOX, NBC, CBS, ESPN is that "we're going for the younger audience." That's who Toyota wants to sell cars to. then let Toyota buy air time in a Janet Jackson concert. The half time show at the Super Bowl and Orange Bowl often lasts as long as the first quarter did.
I lose interest in the game if the half-time show is still on when I get back from the bathroom.
Football is football. Rock is rock. Don't mix 'em.
T. D. Webb wrote:This Okie also sends congrats to OSU for the win over a lackluster Arizona kitten team that had the lead on Oregon at the end of the first half during the regular season. While anything can happen in a bowl game, it looks like Auburn has a good chance of dining on roasted Ducks in the BCS Championship Bowl. One wonders if Oregon is insured by AFLAC
Sandy wrote:I don't think the Arizona-Oregon game, and the Alamo Bowl last night can be compared as apples to oranges, so to speak. When Arizona played Oregon, they were only missing one offensive starter, and no defensive starters. Injuries in that game, and in two games following, depleted their offensive firepower. They lost two starting wide receivers, two starting running backs, and the starting QB was out for at least two games. They also lost three starting defensive linemen. OSU played a great game, and I'm not taking away anything from that. I did notice that Arizona had Nic Grigsby back, first time since Oregon, but the Wildcat team that faced OSU last night had been through an awful lot since it played Oregon.
T. D. Webb wrote:Sandy wrote:I don't think the Arizona-Oregon game, and the Alamo Bowl last night can be compared as apples to oranges, so to speak. When Arizona played Oregon, they were only missing one offensive starter, and no defensive starters. Injuries in that game, and in two games following, depleted their offensive firepower. They lost two starting wide receivers, two starting running backs, and the starting QB was out for at least two games. They also lost three starting defensive linemen. OSU played a great game, and I'm not taking away anything from that. I did notice that Arizona had Nic Grigsby back, first time since Oregon, but the Wildcat team that faced OSU last night had been through an awful lot since it played Oregon.
Sandy, you are correct that it could be an "apple to oranges" situation in comparing the two games, but one wonders how long it will take for the Arizona players to recover from their injuries. They have not played a game in just about a month, and OSU had several injured players as well, and others not playing up to their potential (Blackmon, for one) due to injuries. Most of the Arizona troubles stemmed from mistakes (quarterback - receiver timing problems) and turnovers (fumbled punt, interceptions, etc.) rather than lack of physical conditioning. They actually outgained the Cowboys in first half yardage. I wish Mike Stoops and Arizona the very best in the future. That said, the rumor around these parts is that Stoop's tenure as Head Coach at Arizona is in jeopardy. I hope not, because I think he is building a creditable program there.
Ed Pettibone wrote:Congratulations Syracuse! Big East is now 2 for 3
Although I was yelling for Syracuse, I thought the 15 yard penalty for excessive celebration assessed to Kansas on their last touchdown, was in itself excessive.
William Thornton wrote:Congratulations to My Favorite Okie, and Favorite Cowboy, David Flick on his team's thrashing of their bowl opponent: Oklahoma State 36 - Arizona 10.
In his honor, I'll even resurrect last year's nifty photo of David in his spiffy OSU shirt and hat holding a hapless bulldawg:
Sandy wrote:Well, I think a first-time meeting is going to occur in Bowl season, under the roof in San Antonio at the Alamo Bowl, looks like my Arizona Wildcats will be meeting up with the Oklahoma State Cowboys. This one might be the better of the Pac-10-Big 12 matchups between a couple of evenly matched teams.
1I know Flick hangs with the Cowboys. OSU will have a chance to beat the other Stoops brother. I'll take Arizona in a squeeker.
Responding to Sandy, David Flick wrote:2I'm excited for the Pokes to get the Wildcats for a bowl opponent. It looks as though the OkState came out on top with the bowl picks for Oklahoma teams. They'll get to play a real football team whereas the poor sooners will get a cupcake in their bowl game.
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